Pelosi Gives Impeachment Review The OK

[drmatsci]

This is why I am not a republican or democrat. Its clear he lied. If it was a democrat and I posted those statements you would scream he was lying. But its a republican, so he was 'splitting hairs'. I'll never understand the loyalty either party seems to breed. Look, if Bush or advisors had said "Yes, we thought it was imminent, but we were mistaken"

But they clearly wanted people to think they admin and Bush has never portrayed Iraq as a danger or threat. That's what he statement does. Its a LIE.

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by drmatsci

This is why I am not a republican or democrat. Its clear he lied. If it was a democrat and I posted those statements you would scream he was lying. But its a republican, so he was 'splitting hairs'. I'll never understand the loyalty either party seems to breed. Look, if Bush or advisors had said "Yes, we thought it was imminent, but we were mistaken"

But they clearly wanted people to think they admin and Bush has never portrayed Iraq as a danger or threat. That's what he statement does. Its a LIE.

Dude, I'm a conservative, but I'm also a Democrat. Don't bother to try to paint everyone who disagrees with you with the same brush. You'll just succeed in looking stupid.

I didn't say HE was splitting hairs - I said *I* was, or that someone would say I was.

I'm not "loyal" to Republicans, because I am a conservative first. On the other hand, on the big issues, I think they're closer to me. On the smaller issues - like, say, gay marriage - I don't give a crap what they think.

But it's absurd to argue that we went to war with a man on the basis of - well - nothing. He was a threat. Of course he was, and you are putting words in the mouth of these people. What they're deflecting honestly is the charge of fear-mongering. We weren't in imminent danger from these people, but you don't deal with the mushroom cloud AFTER it's billowing on the horizon. You deal with it first.

You also realize that he spelled out very clearly a few weeks after 9/11 that now that America HAD been attacked directly on our own shores, we weren't going to tolerate organizations that export global terror - or states willing to support them. Does that mean Korea, Iran or Iraq were responsible for 9/11? Of course not - we know who was, and we're engaged in battling him as well. What it does mean is, we don't want ANOTHER 9/11 from somebody else, either. Iraq was already supporting local terrorist groups and had declared support for Palestinian suicide bombers' families. They had been engaged for a couple years clandestinely trading with North Korea in either building or outright purhcasing missile systems technology. We knew this.

Was Saddam dangerous? Sure he was. NO ONE disputes that.

So is Kim Jong Il. Is he an imminent threat? No. Is he dangerous? Yes. Should we take measures to contain him? Is Iran a threat? Definitely. Amazing - these are the same three Bush labelled an "axis of evil" to scornful laughter. Are they imminent? No. Is it urgent? Yes.

Is the price of gas an imminent threat to our economy? No. Is dealing with it an urgent need? Yeah, I'd say so - I don't want it to reach 10 dollars a gallon when it becomes "imminent".

[ImnoMensa]

The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world.

Bill Clinton said that I guess he lied.

Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.

Again Bill Clinton said that , I guess he lied about Nuclear weapons.

Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces," Clinton said

Bill Clinton attacked Iraq?????????????? Must be a lie

"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

Bill Clinton said that But its BS because they didnt have such weapons. Its a lie.

Clinton said he made the decision to strike Wednesday with the unanimous agreement of his security advisors.

His Security advisors, Not Bush's Guess they were all lying.

Clinton also called Hussein a threat to his people and to the security of the world.

CNN - Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance - December 16, 1998 Heres the source. I can find a million of them it wouldnt matter to you. You are eaten up with BDS.

[ImnoMensa]

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People -- Version 3.0 - Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)

Geez all of these folks are liars according to drmatsci

[Penn]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People -- Version 3.0 - Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)

Geez all of these folks are liars according to drmatsci

Awesome research, ImnoMensa!! Holy Chit!!


Madeline Albright

Barbra Boxer

Ted Kennedy

Robert Byrd

Wesley Clark

Hillary Clinton

and........

Nancy Pelosi

So the Prez pulled the wool over ALL their eyes, and they bought it - lock, stock and barrel!

OR, could it be they believed in the intel summaries put out there by none other than - Slick Willie?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by drmatsci

Well, your version of 'objective' probably means a republican investigation and that would be a cold, cold day in hell.

No, I meant objective

But Bush lies:

What about those chemical weapon trailors they discovered shortly after the invasion? Bush said: WP, "Bush: 'We Found' Banned Weapons. President Cites Trailers in Iraq as Proof"

But of course, they were not. They were at best hydrogen production for bolloons, as confirmed and stated later by the CIA.

So, you're saying the lies about the reasons for going to Iraq happened after going to Iraq? Or, is this just a case of him being misinformed, and the media jumping to conclusions?

Or, one of bush's lackeys...

"I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons."
—Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, at a hearing of the Senate's appropriations subcommittee on defense, May 14, 2003

"We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
—Vice President Dick Cheney on NBC's Meet the Press, March 16, 2003

Where's Bush's lie? For that matter, where's Rumsfeld's? Do you know that Don was watching Meet the Press that day?

Or, "President Bush proclaimed that a report by leading economists concluded that the economy would grow by 3.3 percent in 2003 if his tax cut proposals were adopted. No such report exists."

Or, in 2004, the president claimed that he had said during the campaign that he would allow the federal budget to go into deficit in times of war, recession or national emergency but never imagined he would have a "trifecta." Actually, Mr. Bush never made such a campaign statement.

Its so easy to find Bush lies, I could go on and on.
In fact, you can find them on any politician! DUH! THEY ARE ALL LIARS!

Wow, that's one hell of a tangent. I thought we were talking about the mythical lies of getting us into Iraq, before we went. Now we're into specific wording of campaign fodder?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by drmatsci

Oh, heck, here are some more:

On January 27, 2004, White House spokesman Scot McClellan claimed that the administration never said Iraq was an imminent threat. "the media have chose to use the word imminent" to describe the Iraqi threat. In a February 2004 speech at Georgetown University, CIA Director Tenet revealed that CIA "analysts never said there was an imminent threat" from Iraq before the war.

But...

"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq." Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (09.19.02)

"This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined." President Bush (09.26.02)

"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. . . . It has developed weapons of mass death" President Bush (10.02.02)
"There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is." President Bush (10.02.03)

"There are many dangers in the world; the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. President Bush (10.07.02)



(I know, just a few WHITE lies... because president bush is white, so it must be okay?)

Other than Don saying "immediate", which is close to imminent, where's the lie?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by drmatsci

Typical 'double talk' lies. The admin indicates they never said Iraq was any real danger or threat and yet they clearly did. Imminent: 1. likely to occur at any moment; impending: Her death is imminent.
2. projecting or leaning forward; overhanging.

"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. . . . It has developed weapons of mass death" President Bush (10.02.02)

Sounds the same to me. You are starting to sound like Clinton, and his "depends on what the word 'relations' means"

unique urgency is not imminent. Sorry, Bill, "is" here means right now, "unique urgency" means "don't wait around". Big difference.

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by Penn

Awesome research, ImnoMensa!! Holy Chit!!


Madeline Albright

Barbra Boxer

Ted Kennedy

Robert Byrd

Wesley Clark

Hillary Clinton

and........

Nancy Pelosi

So the Prez pulled the wool over ALL their eyes, and they bought it - lock, stock and barrel!

OR, could it be they believed in the intel summaries put out there by none other than - Slick Willie?

If you notice the dates on this you will see that they all made their statements before President Bush was even elected, so he had no part in fooling them.

[Penn]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

If you notice the dates on this you will see that they all made their statements before President Bush was even elected, so he had no part in fooling them.

Can it be said then, that Geo. W. Bush was fooled by the intel summaries handed over to his administration from those of William Jefferson Clinton?

Say it ain't so???

Is it too late to impeach him - again?