McCain Fails Geography - Again!

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kerad

I would expect someone who is bragging about his foreign policy experience to stop referring to a country that ceased to exist (on Jan 1st, 1993) in the present tense.

I would expect someone who "knows how to win wars" to know where the two countries that we are currently fighting in are on a map.

I would expect someone who has so much foreign policy experience and "knows how to win wars" to know the difference between Shia and Sunni, without needing his BFF to whisper in his ear to publicly correct him multiple times. Especially since those particular groups are a big part of what the problem is over there.


Maybe I expect too much.

would you also expect someone who claims to be all about helping the poor to vote to take millions from starving children?

Repeat after me
Obamas an idiot, Obamas an idiot...

see, dont you feel better now?

[remaxrealtor]

Originally Posted by bcp

would you also expect someone who claims to be all about helping the poor to vote to take millions from starving children?

Repeat after me
Obamas an idiot, Obamas an idiot...

see, dont you feel better now?

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by Kerad

I would expect someone who "knows how to win wars" to know where the two countries that we are currently fighting in are on a map. Maybe I expect too much.

Since McCain was correct about the surge and Obambi wasn't I think I'll take the winner in that debate. You just may suffer from the soft bigotry of low expectations to support a candidate who said he'll support your views yesterday and throws you under the bus today.

Just wonder how they'll get the face of him correct with the other Presidents on Mr. Rushmore. There's not room enough for him if they include his ears.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

Since McCain was correct about the surge and Obambi wasn't I think I'll take the winner in that debate. You just may suffer from the soft bigotry of low expectations to support a candidate who said he'll support your views yesterday and throws you under the bus today.

Just wonder how they'll get the face of him correct with the other Presidents on Mr. Rushmore. There's not room enough for him if they include his ears.

maybe they can just manufacture a big Micky Mouse Cap and set it on the head when done. if they line the inside with velcro it should stay in place.

[Kerad]

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

Since McCain was correct about the surge and Obambi wasn't I think I'll take the winner in that debate. You just may suffer from the soft bigotry of low expectations to support a candidate who said he'll support your views yesterday and throws you under the bus today.

McCain was correct?? The surge was a success? Excellent!!! That means that the Iraqi government has fulfilled all their duties, their military is ready to take over, and we'll be slowly pulling out most of our troops on a regular basis...starting immediately.





Then again, Obama was right on the Iraq war all along, whereas McCain was wrong from the beginning. So if McCain was right about the surge, he's about as "victorious" as a team celebrating a last second TD during a 35-7 loss.

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by Kerad

McCain was correct?? The surge was a success? Excellent!!! That means that the Iraqi government has fulfilled all their duties, their military is ready to take over, and we'll be slowly pulling out most of our troops on a regular basis...starting immediately.

I was listening to the Chairman of the JCS, and that's pretty close to right. Bombings and attacks are so low now, DC and Detroit look worse. The level of security in the past few months have been substantial.

Right now the disagreement is "timetable" versus a "wait and see" approach. The Dems want a timetable, the Repubs want a few more months of what we've experienced. Pretty much, it's caution.

Just because your kid gets a license doesn't mean you might not want to ride with them for a while. BUT WHEN DAD? WHEN? When you bring the car home without any damned tickets, put gas in it and keep it clean. BUT WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SAY WHEN? Because it's up to you, son.

That's where we are with Iraq, and it's possible to see a small pullout by this fall with more following next year if things go the way they've been.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Kerad

McCain was correct?? The surge was a success? Excellent!!! That means that the Iraqi government has fulfilled all their duties, their military is ready to take over, and we'll be slowly pulling out most of our troops on a regular basis...starting immediately.





Then again, Obama was right on the Iraq war all along, whereas McCain was wrong from the beginning. So if McCain was right about the surge, he's about as "victorious" as a team celebrating a last second TD during a 35-7 loss.

yes, if the surge would have been a success you would have seen the number of troops and civilians killed drop off, you would expect to see the Iraq army ready to take care of its own country, you would expect to hear the Iraq leaders say that they are ready to handle things on their own.

oh wait,,, I do think that has recently happened..

do you ever get tired of getting slapped for doing the copy and paste from the DU? the skinhead is not always right you know.

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by Kerad

McCain was correct?? The surge was a success? Excellent!!! That means that the Iraqi government has fulfilled all their duties, their military is ready to take over, and we'll be slowly pulling out most of our troops on a regular basis...starting immediately.





Then again, Obama was right on the Iraq war all along, whereas McCain was wrong from the beginning. So if McCain was right about the surge, he's about as "victorious" as a team celebrating a last second TD during a 35-7 loss.

By your logic we should have been out of Germany years ago. Haven't heard the Messiah ask for troop withdrawals there. It must gall the Messiah and his disciples in the Congress that McCain was right about the surge long before troops were inserted for that purpose and they were totally so consumed with BDS they couldn't support their own country. And the troops did the job very well thank you, in spite of Reid, Pelosi and the Soros backed socialist wing nuts.

If the country would have had the misfortune of Obama as President in 2001, he couldn't set foot in Iraq today, must less claim credit for someone else's policies. By your analogy, Obama is about as 'victorious' as the team who claims victory after they forfeited the game. They 'would have won' if they had played. Sorry, I forgot, socialists don't like keeping score as it hurts someone's self-esteem.

[Kerad]

Originally Posted by SamSpade

I was listening to the Chairman of the JCS, and that's pretty close to right. Bombings and attacks are so low now, DC and Detroit look worse. The level of security in the past few months have been substantial.

Right now the disagreement is "timetable" versus a "wait and see" approach. The Dems want a timetable, the Repubs want a few more months of what we've experienced. Pretty much, it's caution.

Just because your kid gets a license doesn't mean you might not want to ride with them for a while. BUT WHEN DAD? WHEN? When you bring the car home without any damned tickets, put gas in it and keep it clean. BUT WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SAY WHEN? Because it's up to you, son.

That's where we are with Iraq, and it's possible to see a small pullout by this fall with more following next year if things go the way they've been.

That's great news for everybody.

But don't forget, the Democrats and Iraqis want a timetable/timeline, but the White House and McCain want a time horizon. Timetables/timelines are bad, but a time horizon is good.

So what happens if we pull our troops out and the different factions call off their cease fire and go back at it? Will that still mean "success"?

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by Kerad

That's great news for everybody.

But don't forget, the Democrats and Iraqis want a timetable/timeline, but the White House and McCain want a time horizon. Timetables/timelines are bad, but a time horizon is good.

So what happens if we pull our troops out and the different factions call off their cease fire and go back at it? Will that still mean "success"?

I haven't heard the time horizon phrasing. If it means what the JCS meant - that is, a timetable that is conditional upon events on the ground then I agree with that sentiment. The Fed raises and lowers interest rates based on such a scheme - they don't raise and lower it on a "timetable" but they can usually forecast what will happen given that events go a certain way.

The other point raised is that in some areas, al-Qaeda is the primary agitator, and increasingly they appear to be giving up on Iraq. In addition, the surge helped facilitate what they called the "oil spot" approach to securing a country - creating safe regions and letting them expand like an oil spot, until you secure the good faith of the people. In fact, the line of talk was more along the lines of - if al-Qaeda is giving up on Iraq, are they going to run to Afghanistan and start over? So it's more likely now that the principal agitators would be less likely to re-arm after a pullout. Iraq doesn't appear to be Lebanon.