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Old 10-07-2008, 03:46 PM   #61 (permalink)
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i am willing to bet that you have both old footage of obama, and are misrepresenting kissingers posititon
How much are you willing to bet?

The Obama footage is from the Dem debate a few months ago, and the Kissinger footage is from the day after the McCain/Obama debate.
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:51 PM   #62 (permalink)
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How much are you willing to bet?

The Obama footage is from the Dem debate a few months ago, and the Kissinger footage is from the day after the McCain/Obama debate.
obviously we are never going to agree.

the statement i made is that Obama's position (the one he stated during the most recent debate) is aligned with kissingers. This was factchecked by CBS the next morning. I will have to look at the kissinger vid to determine what he actually said myself.
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:57 PM   #63 (permalink)
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obviously we are never going to agree.

the statement i made is that Obama's position (the one he stated during the most recent debate) is aligned with kissingers. This was factchecked by CBS the next morning. I will have to look at the kissinger vid to determine what he actually said myself.

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Old 10-07-2008, 03:57 PM   #64 (permalink)
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obviously we are never going to agree.
That's because you're wrong and I'm not going to argue with your stupid ass. The debate video, that you conveniently cannot see, clearly shows Obama lying about Kissinger's position. The other video, that you conveniently cannot see, clearly shows Henry Kissinger saying that he DOES NOT agree with Obama's statement, and DID NOT say what Obama said he said.

Effing durhard.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:02 PM   #65 (permalink)
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That's because you're wrong and I'm not going to argue with your stupid ass. The debate video, that you conveniently cannot see, clearly shows Obama lying about Kissinger's position. The other video, that you conveniently cannot see, clearly shows Henry Kissinger saying that he DOES NOT agree with Obama's statement, and DID NOT say what Obama said he said.

Effing durhard.
yeah, calling me a tard is really proving your point.

agian, i say to you, the statement from obama in the most recent debate was the subject of my posts. you guys can hammer on about a sound bite from months ago. but the man clearly stated his position in the last debate, and it does align with kissingers.
according to CBS.

like i said i will watch it when i get home. I doubt we will be any closer to agreeing though, you have your McCain colored glasses on.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:11 PM   #66 (permalink)
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yeah, calling me a tard is really proving your point.

agian, i say to you, the statement from obama in the most recent debate was the subject of my posts. you guys can hammer on about a sound bite from months ago. but the man clearly stated his position in the last debate, and it does align with kissingers.
according to CBS.

like i said i will watch it when i get home. I doubt we will be any closer to agreeing though, you have your McCain colored glasses on.
Calling me an idiot isn't proving your point either!!!

Maybe Obama's Jedi mind tricks work on you but...
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yeah, calling me a tard is really proving your point..
THE VIDEO PROVES MY POINT.

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the statement from obama in the most recent debate was the subject of my posts.
RIGHT. AND THERE IS A CLIP FROM THE MOST RECENT DEBATE - THE ONE BETWEEN HIM AND JOHN MCCAIN - WHERE OBAMA STATES HIS POSITION AND THEN SAYS HENRY KISSINGER AGREES WITH IT. THE QUESTION HE WAS RESPONDING TO WAS REGARDING OBAMA MAKING THE EXACT SAME STATEMENT IN THE PRIMARY DEBATE.

So no, we're not going to agree because you are wrong and completely making #### up as you go.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:17 PM   #68 (permalink)
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THE VIDEO PROVES MY POINT.


RIGHT. AND THERE IS A CLIP FROM THE MOST RECENT DEBATE - THE ONE BETWEEN HIM AND JOHN MCCAIN - WHERE OBAMA STATES HIS POSITION AND THEN SAYS HENRY KISSINGER AGREES WITH IT. THE QUESTION HE WAS RESPONDING TO WAS REGARDING OBAMA MAKING THE EXACT SAME STATEMENT IN THE PRIMARY DEBATE.

So no, we're not going to agree because you are wrong and completely making #### up as you go.
like i said, i will watch it, sans the glasses you guys are wearing and make my own decision.
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like i said, i will watch it, sans the glasses you guys are wearing and make my own decision.

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On the bottom of the page type: http://www.YouTube.com

Then do a search for the videos!!!
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