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Old 10-17-2008, 08:57 PM   #31 (permalink)
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They don't do either, I haven't viewed a commercial unwillingly in almost 2 years. DVRs are great!
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:13 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Not a tangent at all. People don't want to hear the truth, they prefer the pie-in-the-sky view that Obama gives them.
And it's tough as hell to fight that kind of mindset.

I'm so tired of hearing, "well you higher income earners can afford to pay more" : Why do I have to bust my ass and pay my own way, then get my pockets emptied because someone else chose not to take the route of a better paying job? It is stupid to punish people in this country who actually contribute to the freakin economy.

It is aggravating that people think that all of these things being promised are "free". It isn't free, people like me are paying for that, on top of everything else we have to pay for on our own because we don't qualify for anything "free".
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:47 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Okay, do negative campaign ads really turn you off from a candidate? OR do you just get pissed off when you see a negative ad being run on the candidate that you support?

I think the whole crying about negative campaign ads is so totally bogus. I actually prefer the negative campaign ads, since they cut through the rainbows and sunshine that both candidates attempt to blow up everyone's behind.

Nope, they don't turn me off from a candidate I support. Politics ain't beanbag! And I tend to look at the facts in an ad and go research them for myself, rather than just stew about something an opposing candidate says.

I have standards, though. No slamming the families, children, etc.
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Old 10-17-2008, 09:48 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Define "negative". The ads McCain has run against Obama have been either factual or at least based on fact - either way, they are informative and encourage me to look up stories on it.

If he ran an ad saying Obama's wife was a whore and his kids were stupid, THAT would be a negative attack ad.

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Old 10-17-2008, 09:52 PM   #35 (permalink)
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And it's tough as hell to fight that kind of mindset.

I'm so tired of hearing, "well you higher income earners can afford to pay more" : Why do I have to bust my ass and pay my own way, then get my pockets emptied because someone else chose not to take the route of a better paying job? It is stupid to punish people in this country who actually contribute to the freakin economy.

It is aggravating that people think that all of these things being promised are "free". It isn't free, people like me are paying for that, on top of everything else we have to pay for on our own because we don't qualify for anything "free".
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:06 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I have standards, though. No slamming the families, children, etc.
I'm with you on that. I really could give a crap about their family. The only time they should come into the equation is if they make themselves the equation, like when Ronald Reagans dingbat daughter went and made an ass out of herself during his Presidency by railing against his politics and doing a spread in Playboy. She made her own bed, she wasn't forced into the limelight. Know what I'm sayin?
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:34 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Negative attack ads work for one simple reason. National elections are not about convincing people to choose you over the other person. They are about getting as many of the people who would choose you over the other person to actually cast a vote.

National elections are about turnout and little else. There are relatively few people that are sincerely undecided after the conventions. And, the majority of people who fall into that category aren't going to vote anyway. It's all about getting your people to vote. Included in that are the people who definitely wouldn't vote for the other candidate, but aren't in love with you enough to feel compelled to vote for you either. You have to convince them that they need to vote against the other person by voting for you. That's what attack ads do. They make you mad at someone. They make you scared of someone.

That's why candidates that try to run to the middle and appear conciliatory, in order to collect as many of the undecideds as they can are making a huge mistake. In the end, the undecideds will pretty much be a wash, and their numbers are usually too few to be irrelevant anyway. You have to fire up your base. You have to throw them red meat. You have to impassion them. You have to convince them that their vote is of immeasurable importance.

The reason why Obama was the worst possible candidate from a Republican perspective is that turnout is king. There is little question that if there was 100% turnout, the Democratic candidate would win. Obama taps into a heretofore unrealized wealth of voters - young people and minorities. They are groups that have traditionally turned out in relatively low numbers; but to the extent that they do vote, they vote heavily Democratic. They believe that voting for Obama makes them cool. He's convinced them that they can be a part of something, that they can take control of the machine and steer it where they want to go; whereas, in the past they didn't feel like they were part of the process and thought they couldn't have any meaningful control. Obama has channeled JFK and hopes to ride a wave of 'hipness' into the White House. Bringing this enormous new source of support into the equation creates a change in the dynamic that represents an almost insurmountable hurdle for any Republican candidate. Frankly, in light of this, it's surprising that the race has lasted this long.

If McCain does still have any hope left it is because of something that polls can't account for - Fear is a greater motivator to action than Anger is. The Democrats are angry at the perceived ineptness and misdirection of the Republicans. This is an anger that the Democratic machine has worked tirelessly to instill and perpetuate in recent years. Democrats may have articulated some small degree of fear, but they never seemed to actually feel any. Anger is a great motivator, but it ain't fear.

On the other hand, the one thing McCain has going for him is the fear his supportors have of Obama. Republican supporters aren't just angry at Obama, they are sincerely scared. They fear what kind of a world will be left for their children if he is allowed to run roughshod over this nation for 4 or 8 years. And their fear isn't contrived, or taught, or coerced, or artificially propagated. It is organically born. It is sincere. And it is pervasive.

Obama's campaign has figured out that that fear is what has given McCain a shot in this election. That is why he has turned of late to attack ads, trying to cultivate a sensation of fear among his supporters.

Anger moves people to rhetoric. Fear moves them to action.

If McCain wants to have any chance, he needs to go on the attack now. He needs to come out with both guns blazing and show his supporters that he is just as scared of what an Obama led America will look like as they are. Don't worry about 'turning off' a few people that might still be on the fence. Fire up the troops you have.
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:36 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I'm with you on that. I really could give a crap about their family. The only time they should come into the equation is if they make themselves the equation, like when Ronald Reagans dingbat daughter went and made an ass out of herself during his Presidency by railing against his politics and doing a spread in Playboy. She made her own bed, she wasn't forced into the limelight. Know what I'm sayin?

Oh, she was a fruitloop!

OH, and I still roll my eyes when I think about how she dressed at the various funeral services of her father's. Gawd.
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Old 10-18-2008, 09:32 AM   #39 (permalink)
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I am pretty sick of this whole damned election and want it over with.

Neither of the two presented is worth a good damn anyway. Lets get on with it so we can stop bi*hcing about speculation and start bi*ching about performance --or the lack of it.
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