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Old 10-21-2008, 04:02 PM   #31 (permalink)
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She originally didn't, she actually filed the charges against herself to get the investigation going and out of the way.

Then, when the investigation was being taken over by the Obama campaign, and was going to clearly be non-partial, she decided to wait until there could be an impartial investigation.

But, COLB or not, none of this addresses the Indonesian citizen issue - the one that probably has some merit to it.
a US citizen can only give up citizenship through a couple of ways, ALL OF WHICH require documentation. If this document exists it should be easy to find.
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Old 10-21-2008, 04:06 PM   #32 (permalink)
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a US citizen can only give up citizenship through a couple of ways, ALL OF WHICH require documentation. If this document exists it should be easy to find.
They actually have the documentation of Obama being admitted to school, as an Indonesian citizen - a requirement at that time to attend the schools he attended. And, there was no allowance for dual citizenship at the time.

The question is whether that constitutes sufficient documentation, and whether he's actually a citizen NOW, or an illegal alien.
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Old 10-21-2008, 04:12 PM   #33 (permalink)
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They actually have the documentation of Obama being admitted to school, as an Indonesian citizen - a requirement at that time to attend the schools he attended. And, there was no allowance for dual citizenship at the time.

The question is whether that constitutes sufficient documentation, and whether he's actually a citizen NOW, or an illegal alien.
it doesn't to the USA. If you are abroad, you must apply to renounce your citizenship at the US consulate. In the US you have to do so through the state department.
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from what i have read, this document has been produced, and the suits you are refering to are nuisance lawsuits.

I mean there are several sites that show images of his birth certificate, and several news agencies have verifed it.

just because you file a suit and pay your filing fee doesn't mean the suit has any merrit, of that you have standing i the case, or that you are even in the right court. (although admittedly it has been a while since i took constitutional law)
Can you please direct me to one of the sites that has a certified copy or certified original of said birth certificate.
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Can you please direct me to one of the sites that has a certified copy or certified original of said birth certificate.
all you have to do is send hawaii $5 and they will verify that they do indeed have that record. anyone can request this information

BTW, factchecker has photos of a copy they say is certified and does indeed contain a raised seal.
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it doesn't to the USA. If you are abroad, you must apply to renounce your citizenship at the US consulate. In the US you have to do so through the state department.
So, if I fight for a foreign nation's army, declare my allegience to that nation, gain citizenship there through their processes that do not allow me to be a dual citizenship holder...... I'm still an American in the US's eyes?

If you know this to be true, please contact the judge in the Berg case. This would clear up a huge issue that hasn't been decided in that case yet. (No, I'm not suggesting that Obama fought for another army, I was speaking hypothetically)
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it doesn't to the USA. If you are abroad, you must apply to renounce your citizenship at the US consulate. In the US you have to do so through the state department.
Wrong, that is only one of the ways to renounce your citizenship and the 5th way listed under the law, see 8USC1481.
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Wrong, that is only one of the ways to renounce your citizenship and the 5th way listed under the law, see 8USC1481.
i stand corrected.

but i think they are stillt he only two ways that apply in this instance.

unless you have evidence of his naturalization to indonesia
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This birth certificate would not even get you a license in MD. NO SEAL!!
did you go to factcheck? they clearly show the seal.
regardless, you can send $5 to hawaii and have THEM VERIFY they have this record.
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did you go to factcheck? they clearly show the seal.
regardless, you can send $5 to hawaii and have THEM VERIFY they have this record.
Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack’s Birth Certificate

The listed here has no SEAL and therefore you could not even get a license in MD!!
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