Hawaii Supreme Court asked to issue emergency writ

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by This_person

At the time, if he was 5 years old when he moved there, he would have automatically been considered an Indonesian citizen should his step-father have adopted him (as demonstrated by the name change to his step-father's surname on his admission records). If this is the case, no documentation would have been necessary for the citizenship change - it was automatic because of age.

Again, this is why it's so complicated - there are many questions about what actually happened (just like with his birth) that are not being answered. There may be posts of scanned pictures of stuff, but there are no answers. Instead of walking into court where the legal question has been raised and simply responding - putting to rest the theories and speculation and doubt and wonder, Obama is doing every legal machination he can to make the questions go away. While I think there is more than likely nothing to all of this, his response makes me question that assumption more than the evidence against him does.

Wouldn't this be a case of dual citizenship? I knew someone who had dual citizenship but he had to make a choice before a certain age. I think 16 or 18.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by This_person

Where was that? I went to the courthouse in the county I was born and got a legal birth certificate because mine was lost in a fire.

Unless you're adopted, it should be very easy to get your own birth certificate.

Even if you are adopted, it is the same process to get a certified copy of your birth certificate.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by awpitt

Wouldn't this be a case of dual citizenship? I knew someone who had dual citizenship but he had to make a choice before a certain age. I think 16 or 18.

Yes, it would be, if Indonesia allowed for dual citizenship at that time.

They did not. Thus, the question is whether this was a tacit renouncement of his American citizenship. If so, even if he came back and was naturalized (which I strongly suspect he did not), he would no longer be a "natural born citizen" because he would have renounced that (via his mother's decision).

It's complicated and I believe he probably is a citizen. However, I think his reaction to the question is strongly suspect, and makes me wonder. If he simply answered the questions instead of taking every possible angle to get out of answering the questions, I would stick with my assumption that he's a citizen.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by awpitt

Even if you are adopted, it is the same process to get a certified copy of your birth certificate.

Often birth certificates to a child who was adopted by someone who was neither birth mother nor father (ie, both parents different) is harder. They seal the actual birth certificate and offer something like Midnight is talking about (verification that one exists) for things like schools. But, when it comes time for a passport or such it may be harder to get.

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by Midnightrider

obviously he doesn't or there would be a bench warrant out for him......

and tell me, what does worldnet have to gain by indicating it is valid?

What do they have to lose?

Something aint right. If Obama was legit he would be up there with his birth certificate or whatever he has. He wouldnt be sending lawyers and legal teams out to shuck and Jive for him. Its a short trip by Obama plane to Pennsylvania. Crap!! He wouldnt even have to go himself, just provide his legal team with the document.

[Midnightrider]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

What do they have to lose?

Something aint right. If Obama was legit he would be up there with his birth certificate or whatever he has. He wouldnt be sending lawyers and legal teams out to shuck and Jive for him. Its a short trip by Obama plane to Pennsylvania. Crap!! He wouldnt even have to go himself, just provide his legal team with the document.

i am sure his legal team has the document, but you obviouslt haven't been reading. providing the birthcertificate wouldn't solve anything. the suit has all kinds of other BS attached.

and all you would have to do is contct hawaii to determine if they had theis record on file.

Obama is well within his rights, and no judgement shold come from him exercising his legal rights.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Midnightrider

i am sure his legal team has the document, but you obviouslt haven't been reading. providing the birthcertificate wouldn't solve anything. the suit has all kinds of other BS attached.

and all you would have to do is contct hawaii to determine if they had theis record on file.

Obama is well within his rights, and no judgement shold come from him exercising his legal rights.

No LEGAL judgement, I agree. But, the election is not a court of law, it's a court of public opinion. As such, no one is held to the standard of "presumed innocent". We can judge him guilty or not based upon his actions, or inactions; his track record of honest discourse, or lack thereof.

[Midnightrider]

Originally Posted by This_person

No LEGAL judgement, I agree. But, the election is not a court of law, it's a court of public opinion. As such, no one is held to the standard of "presumed innocent". We can judge him guilty or not based upon his actions, or inactions; his track record of honest discourse, or lack thereof.

and that is fine, and i am sure that Obama weighed that before he decided how to proceed. I am willing to bet he thinks the people who are considering him "guilty" already wont be swayed by any amount of documentation, so why not exercise his rights and keep the complaintants in court spending their money and time.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by Midnightrider

and that is fine, and i am sure that Obama weighed that before he decided how to proceed. I am willing to bet he thinks the people who are considering him "guilty" already wont be swayed by any amount of documentation, so why not exercise his rights and keep the complaintants in court spending their money and time.

It's a safe bet that if Obama was 10 points behind in the polls we wouldn't see all this stink about his birth certificate. Obama has a passport. I'm sure his birth credentials have been srutinized at some point, at least by the State Dept.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Midnightrider

and that is fine, and i am sure that Obama weighed that before he decided how to proceed. I am willing to bet he thinks the people who are considering him "guilty" already wont be swayed by any amount of documentation, so why not exercise his rights and keep the complaintants in court spending their money and time.

No, he lets his surrogates poo-poo that there's no merit to it, and that keeps the majority of the media from reporting on it. If there were daily updates on the court case, he would answer whatever he needs to answer.

As it is now, this is ignored as much as most of Biden's gaffes, or anything else that tends to paint Obama in any kind of a negative light. We now know more about Joe the Plumber than we ever will about Obama, because his question (and Obama's horrific answer) made Obama look bad - ATTACK THE MESSENGER!!! My hope is that the judge will actually do his job and expedite this case before the election, to minimize the potential costs to the country should Obama win the popular vote election.