Obama is Pro Abortion But Against Torture...

[sunmoonstars]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Yes, a thousand words. Ever had a miscarriage? Ever known anyone to have a miscarriage, especially late term? Images can conjure up more nightmares than you intend.

That's all I got to say about that.

Got a point there...

[Bavarian]

When is the baby viable to you pro-aborts? 10 days? why not 9 days, 8 days, etc. You don't know so err on the side of life.

Be a hero, save a whale; save a baby, go to jail!

[sunmoonstars]

Originally Posted by Bavarian

When is the baby viable to you pro-aborts? 10 days? why not 9 days, 8 days, etc. You don't know so err on the side of life.

Be a hero, save a whale; save a baby, go to jail!

When sperm meets egg= person.

[puggymom]

IMO a baby is viable when it can live outside of the womb without the use of the woman's body.

THAT being said I believe the Infants Born Alive Act has very little to do with abortion rights. The key here is INFANT BORN ALIVE.
As some who is adamantly pro choice I find it abhorrent that there even needs to be a law that states medical care should be given to an infant born alive no matter what the specifics of the birth were.
My pro choice stance mainly stems from my belifs of maternal vs fetal rights and that the maternal rights should always take priority of the fetal rights until the fetus/baby no longer uses the woman's body. Once that happens they are a legal human being and should be afforded all the rights that come with being a legal human being including medical care.
I just do not see why in a failed abortion custody is given to the state and the baby is cared for as much as medically possible. I guess I just do not see why it is even an issue.

[Bavarian]

Because Obama, for one of many, voted against the bill. And many babies born alive are thrown in the dirty linen hamper, suffocated by the abortionist, etc. Too many nurses and survivors have come forward to tell the truth.

Originally Posted by FiredUp

That's sorta strange isn't it?
He supports abortion - even late term abortion where a baby sometimes comes out alive and he has fought to NOT GIVE ANY MEDICAL ATTENTION to save the baby. So the baby was born alive and then left to die.
You know I have a problem with that, that indeed is murder. Murder - it was a person an innocent person.
On the other hand you have some anti-american who has plans or knows of plans to attack the U.S - us you and me -
plans to harm - your family your friends - plans that may possibly include a biological attack - maybe nuke - maybe your plane - maybe your work place - whatever, they intend to harm you and force you to live in fear...
That said, Obama will not torture to get valuable information or to save the lives of any of us. Most of these types of people are willing to die for their sick cause do you think playing a little loud music will make them crack? Obama has sent a message out to all those no good people that we will not hurt them. They will be safe - how does that make us look?
Do we look strong?
I don't think so.
I say again - OBAMA WANTS TO KILL INNOCENT LIFE YET PROTECT THOSE THAT HAVE PREFORMED HORRIBLE CRIMES AGAINST US AND THOSE THAT ARE PLANNING TO IN THE FUTURE. WHAT KIND OF A MAN, WHAT KIND OF A PARTY, WHAT KIND OF A VOTER WOULD DO THIS?
Thank You.

righties are anti-abortion but pro-torture and pro-death penalty
how hypocritical is that?

[Bavarian]

Originally Posted by Beaver-Cleaver

righties are anti-abortion but pro-torture and pro-death penalty
how hypocritical is that?

Unborn children are innocent.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Beaver-Cleaver

righties are anti-abortion but pro-torture and pro-death penalty
how hypocritical is that?

Abortion = Death of the innoncent

Torture = The "tortured" get to live and they have committed deadly acts against Americans

Death Penalty = Death on the guilty.

But I can see how you would equate them.

[Bavarian]

Medical science is allowing extremely pre-mature babies to survive. So, the definition of "viable" gets earlier all the time. With 4D ultrasound, it becomes clear to all but a few that a baby is a life.

"All those in favor of abortion have already been born", Ronald Reagan

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by Bavarian

Because Obama, for one of many, voted against the bill. And many babies born alive are thrown in the dirty linen hamper, suffocated by the abortionist, etc. Too many nurses and survivors have come forward to tell the truth.

That was not my point. I actually agree with the law BUT cannot understand why the need for it...not because it does not happen, albeit I think it is rare, but that it should not happen in the first place because giving medical care to infant born alive from an failed abortion does not in anyway affect abortion rights. **I know we have very different opinions on abortion rights but that is not the issue here**

Like I have said it is about legal rights to me. Once a person is born alive, no matter the specifics of why or how they were born, they are a legal human being and deserve medical care. This should not even be debatable, kwim?