Obama is Pro Abortion But Against Torture...

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by Bavarian

Medical science is allowing extremely pre-mature babies to survive. So, the definition of "viable" gets earlier all the time. With 4D ultrasound, it becomes clear to all but a few that a baby is a life.

"All those in favor of abortion have already been born", Ronald Reagan

And I hope the day comes when an embryo or fetus, instead of being aborted, is transferred from the womb of the woman to either another woman or an incubator of sorts.
But until that day I hope abortion will remain safe and legal.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

Main Entry: vi·a·ble
Pronunciation: \ˈvī-ə-bəl\
Function: adjective
Etymology: French, from Middle French, from vie life, from Latin vita — more at vital
Date: circa 1832
1: capable of living ; especially : having attained such form and development as to be normally capable of surviving outside the mother's womb <a viable fetus>
2: capable of growing or developing <viable seeds> <viable eggs>
3 a: capable of working, functioning, or developing adequately <viable alternatives> b: capable of existence and development as an independent unit <the colony is now a viable state> c (1): having a reasonable chance of succeeding <a viable candidate> (2): financially sustainable <a viable enterprise>
— vi·a·bil·i·ty \ˌvī-ə-ˈbi-lə-tē\ noun
— vi·a·bly \ˈvī-ə-blē\ adverb

Your welcome

So, a three day old baby cannot survive independently - legal to kill it?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

A 3 day old can survive outside of the womb (see the definition), what your describing is neglect not abortion.

From where will the 3 day old get sustenance? Can they obtain it on their own? Shelter, warmth, food, etc., etc......

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by This_person

So, a three day old baby cannot survive independently - legal to kill it?

Again two different things. It does not need the woman's body to surive, it can be raised by anyone else. As of now only the woman can carry it in her womb. And again once born it has legal rights as an individual.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by puggymom

Again two different things. It does not need the woman's body to surive, it can be raised by anyone else. As of now only the woman can carry it in her womb. And again once born it has legal rights as an individual.

So, if the woman has the baby, and then ignores it, and takes zero care of it, what do we call that? (and, the father, too, takes no care of it)

How is that different from four days prior? There's an implied care of the baby that is willingly (maybe not by desire, but willingly) placed in the woman's body. Anything less, IMHO, is just inhumane.

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by This_person

So, if the woman has the baby, and then ignores it, and takes zero care of it, what do we call that? (and, the father, too, takes no care of it)

How is that different from four days prior? There's an implied care of the baby that is willingly (maybe not by desire, but willingly) placed in the woman's body. Anything less, IMHO, is just inhumane.

See this is where my personal opinions conflict with my beliefs of maternal rights taking precedence over fetal rights.
Again this is my personal opinion and do not believe that laws should be based on it.
Once you have a viable fetus (currently ~23 weeks) you have had plenty of time to make a decision to have an elective abortion. The problem is for every law that intending to protect a viable healthy fetus and a healthy mother you are now making it harder for a woman who needs the abortion for medical reasons to get it as she now has to prove to the courts that it is needed. Who is determining when it is ok? How is this going to be determined? If she has cancer and MAY survive long enough? Some people do not think this is a good enough reason for an abortion. What if that is the opinion of the judge making that decision? Shouldn't this be the indiviual familes decision?

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

So what your saying is thanks to Science babys are evolving in the womb sooner?

Science is a learner of nature, not a changer. Science is learning that a child is "viable" at earlier stages than the abortion crowd wants to admit.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Beaver-Cleaver

righties are anti-abortion but pro-torture and pro-death penalty
how hypocritical is that?

Originally Posted by Plan B

Obama seems to be governing from the vital center...
Stop second-guessing Obama and trust him.
Obama saw things nobody else saw...Perhaps I'll regret this, but the man is a genius.
Sure, I doubted him a few times—maybe more than a few times—right up until the last week. I was proven wrong every time. Every time!
Obama's vision seems based on not only better sets of data than most informed people, but it's what he does with his data that makes him so brilliant.
Obama will succeed....
In the days after election, I imagined that the 2012 map would be solid blue, with Obama taking 50 states. (you mean 57 states?)
President-elect Barack Obama has earned our trust. Get off his case.
Unless Obama really screws something up, he will sail to a second term in 2012....
Remember where you heard it first. '' the root.com

Originally Posted by puggymom

Again two different things. It does not need the woman's body to surive, it can be raised by anyone else. As of now only the woman can carry it in her womb. And again once born it has legal rights as an individual.

You know, the great thing about liberals is that they don't have to put us on ignore. THEY CAN'T SEE WHAT WE'RE SAYING ANYHOW!!!

[Plan B]

Originally Posted by Highlander

Why is it over the line? It's not pornographic, racist or anything like that! If you saw the picture and it bothered you that much, Good. Hopefully, others will open their eyes to what Obama says is perfectly acceptable. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

folks like you are why abortion kooks never get out of the woods.

[Plan B]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

You know, the great thing about liberals is that they don't have to put us on ignore. THEY CAN'T SEE WHAT WE'RE SAYING ANYHOW!!!

What's to see? At least this lib gave up riding Harleys in the 80s...