Left and right in America...

[Kerad]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...you don't see the irony in this? A man chosen specifically because he has NO executive experience whatsoever and very, very limited inside the beltway experience winning on a platform of change yet right away installing people that ARE the system? You don't get that?

It's not ironic in the least.

Obama was elected because the majority of voters thought he was the best candidate for the job. If they voted him in for change, then they see him as most likely to bring positive changes.


And here he is explaining it to those who may not get it. He will be the one providing the change in direction, and his experienced team will be the ones who help him get it done.



It seems pretty straightforward to me.



Then again, I'm not the one who's had it in for Obama ever since he became a frontrunner for the Democratic nomination. We get it Larry...you don't like Obama. And that will never change.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...the last 8 years has been a very sour disappointment for Republicans in general, and conservatives in particular, in terms of government policy and how it has impacted the general welfare and direction of the nation. We are without a doubt NOT better off than we were in 2000. Of course, those of you still in denial make yellow dog Democrats seem the height of rational thought.

Be that as it may, the roots of this bitter disappointment lay in the 'compassionate' conservative scam that those of us on the right actually bought into, as though conservatism is somehow NOT compassionate, the effects of it's tenets on the individual being the very definition of compassion; personal responsibility, self reliance and individual freedom.

Point being, without us, Bush doesn't win. With us, he won, twice, and betrayed us time after time after time in order to pursue his own new world order, leaving US national interest in the ditch(s). Whether this was intentional or simply the result of profound blinders and shortsightedness on his part due to over riding fears and worries about his vision of providing for the common defense, the point is it happened; it has been a GOP disaster, a national disaster and it has been failure to adhere to conservative principles
as the core problem.

Now, the left has won the day and they have their man who similarly promised them ideas and words that danced in their hearts and minds and won their support. What is noteworthy here is that, while Bush didn't go careening over a cliff until after 9/11, Obama isn't even in office and he is already betraying the left. No doubt his more ardent defenders will be like those on the right; it's the media's fault, he has to do this, he has to do that, it's the other party, it's the weather, however, facts is facts; He is already surrounded and dominated by Clintonites, people who actively helped fail delivering on the dreams of '92, the triangulators and pragmatists, the power brokers and hard core DC insiders. Lobbying groups and big money are also part of the Obama reality rather than his anti lobbyist and pro public campaign finance rhetoric.

So, will the Obama presidency end up leaving the left as used as the right has been these past two terms? Will the Democrat party be left in tatters due to betraying the ideas and principles of the left that have just won the day? Or will Obama, somehow, transcend all the turns away from the campaign he has already made?

It's pretty plain to see it happening now, the turning away from what got him here. I only wish the right was less concerned with simple power 8 years ago and more concerned with principle. We wouldn't be having this conversation if we had.

This all-the-more convinces me that McCain was the better choice. Not the best choice, just the better choice. You've made me feel better about my vote Larry. Thank you.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Keeping in mind that he's not President yet, and therefore hasn't had a chance to "do anything"...he's doing just fine, in my opinion.

Perhaps someone better remind BO that he's not.

Who ever heard of such a thing... "Office of the President Elect". Where is this office located anyway? Neverneverland?

IT DOESN'T EXIST. THEN MAN IS SO FULL OF HIMSELF THAT HE HAS DEEMED HIMSELF IN CHARGE BEFORE HE'S IN CHARGE. Leftwingbots are demanding Bush step aside early. It's really getting pathetically humorous.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Kerad

The vast majority of Democrats are center-left...not the raving lunatics on the fringe.

Then why didn't they vote for someone that is more center-left like Hillary? BO is so far left that he extended the Senate-time-continuum farther left than it was before he became a senator.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Vince

And all this time I thought Congress had something to do with it, and the majority was Democrat. Dayum, where have I been.

Nope. It's alllllllllllllllllllll Bush's fault.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Yeah. Do you even read the first post? That's the whole point. The right got hosed starting after 9/11. The left is getting it already.

Wait a minute! The "right got hosed"? I thought you said they hosed themselves. So who hosed them Larry?

[Kerad]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Perhaps someone better remind BO that he's not.

Who ever heard of such a thing... "Office of the President Elect". Where is this office located anyway? Neverneverland?

IT DOESN'T EXIST. THEN MAN IS SO FULL OF HIMSELF THAT HE HAS DEEMED HIMSELF IN CHARGE BEFORE HE'S IN CHARGE. Leftwingbots are demanding Bush step aside early. It's really getting pathetically humorous.

He is the President Elect. Notice the word "Elect" on the end, there. That is proof enough that he realizes he's not President, yet. What should he call his office?

Currently, his office is in Chicago, I believe. Certainly somewhere in Illinois.


I've certainly never called for Bush to step aside early. Though if all he's going to do is run out the clock, he may as well. There's work to be done.




Much change to unleash.

[Kerad]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Then why didn't they vote for someone that is more center-left like Hillary? BO is so far left that he extended the Senate-time-continuum farther left than it was before he became a senator.

Wait a minute. You Righties can't have it both ways. Larry's complaining that the Liberals are mad at Barack for moving to middle, and you're still trumpeting that "most liberal person ever born" line from the election.

Which is it?

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Kerad

He is the President Elect. Notice the word "Elect" on the end, there. That is proof enough that he realizes he's not President, yet. What should he call his office?

Currently, his office is in Chicago, I believe. Certainly somewhere in Illinois.


I've certainly never called for Bush to step aside early. Though if all he's going to do is run out the clock, he may as well. There's work to be done.




Much change to unleash.

Yes, we know he's president elect. We're reminded about ever 2 seconds of that. So the office is officially in Chicago. Oh, okay.

ANNOUNCEMENT: FROM THIS DAY HERETOFOR... A NEW OFFICE HAS BEEN ERECTED CALLED "THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT ELECT" AND IT SHALL RESIDE IN CHICAGO.

I've also never seen a seal of "The Office of the President Elect" before.

But I like how you worded that change to be "unleashed". I read in another thread there were some pitbulls that were unleashed running around some neighborhood. Is that what you are talking about?

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Kerad

Wait a minute. You Righties can't have it both ways. Larry's complaining that the Liberals are mad at Barack for moving to middle, and you're still trumpeting that "most liberal person ever born" line from the election.

Which is it?

I didn't say "the most liberal person ever born". You did. But it sure sounds about right.

He has been deemed THE most liberal member of Congress. After all this time he now decides to move towards the center?

Right!