$600 million to prepare America for Universal Heal

01-25-2009, 06:10 AM

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America's crawl to socialism

Congressman Mike Pence (R-IN) noticed something disturbing in the 'stimulus' package--A little section that read 'and $600 million to prepare America for Universal Health Care.' Wow, $600 million just to prepare for it? Sounds like it's going to be cheap. No seriously, socialism is going to be so much fun when it's fully in place in America. Glenn talks with the Congressman about how the powers that be are shoving socialism down our throats, slowly but surely and in the dark of night. Read the transcript. Insiders listen to the audio here.

Glenn Beck: America's crawl to socialism

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Well, I was talking to Congressman Pence about it yesterday, and we touched upon something that is in the new stimulus package, and I just gave it to you a minute ago. In Obama's new stimulus package, $600 million to address -- and I'm quoting -- to address shortages and prepare our country for universal healthcare. This goes back to what I told you before: They are going to take this country by dribs and drabs. If you want to have an open debate about healthcare, then let's do it. If you want to say, "I want to be a socialist country," then let's have that conversation. But that's not the way it's happening. They are just taking it from you at night. Your freedoms, your economic freedom, the idea of capitalism, the idea that you control your own life and you make your own decisions, it's all going away and Congressman Pence is here to talk toe about this a little more. Congressman, how are you?

Hmm like Drug Pushers ... start out small with samples of free health care ...

and once you sink the hook, reel them in ........

*Larry Gude* ^(Premo) · 01-25-2009, 06:32 AM

During the campaign, the health care debate reached maturity; it was no longer a discussion of whether or not we should have public health care, but how. Obama and Hillary went to great lengths to argue the 1% difference in their 94 and 95% plans.

McCain, to his credit, had a decent plan that would have empowered people to buy and own their own health insurance plans. Of course, I doubt many remember it because he was not very passionate about nor every good at describing why it was a good idea in the first place.

It's coming; Socialized Health care.

*bcp* ^(Premo) · 01-25-2009, 08:40 AM

Good morning Comrads

chernmax · 01-25-2009, 11:45 PM

Another given to universal healthcare are the waiting periods and waiting lists for treatment under universal healthcare.

True to form, those with private health care coverage will be able to afford and receive treatment much quicker than those with universal healthcare. Then there is and will be a difference in the quality of treatment as well. Obama, of course, will deny it, but it is a fact that there will are differences and therein lies the failure of universal healthcare.
“In Japan, patients covered under government-sponsored health plans often use the private sector for faster, better quality aid, and in order to realize sufficient revenues, Japan’s government-subsidized physicians commonly have to see more than 40 patients a day. If they can’t break into the shortage of private health care services, infirm Japanese have been known to pay steep bribes to circumvent the rationed health care system in order to get direct access to health care providers being reimbursed by the government, through its global budgeting policies on what it will spend for the citizenry’s health care.[8]

Similarly, out of a population of 57 million, one million Britons are queued up on extremely long waiting lists to see physicians for both routine and serious conditions, thanks to the rationing that follows price controls and budget caps.[9] Indeed, the British tabloid press loves to sensationalize all too frequently, unfortunately the deaths of patients still on waiting lists. On an annual basis for example, the number of British patients denied treatment include 9,000 for renal dialysis, as many as 15,000 for cancer chemotherapy, as many as 17,000 for coronary artery surgery, and 7,000 for hip replacement.[10]In contrast, the U.S. rate of cardiac pacemaker implants was more than four times that of Britain and 20 times that found in Canada, and CAT scanners are three times more available per capita in the United States over Canada, and six times that found in Britain.[11]

Inefficiencies from government controls further manifest themselves in the gross bed mismanagement found in hospitals. Despite the long waiting lists in Britain and Canada, one in four beds remains empty at any time, with hospital occupancy rates at 74% for acute beds and 82% for all beds.[12] Yet 25% of acute care beds are being utilized by so-called “bed blockers” for long-term nursing home purposes, often at 600% the cost.[13]

Additional absurdities abound in the British National Health Service, where while price controls leave the chronically ill to die waiting for treatments, the system pursues an enormous make-work jobs program of services for those in good health. British citizens, for example, annually take almost 20 million ambulance trips, equal to one trip per citizen per year, and of which 91% are for non-emergency purposes such as taxiing elderly patients to local pharmacies.[14] “Health visitors” treat 4.1 million people in their homes, and chiropodists treat another 1.1 million. 33 million meals are delivered to people’s homes, more than 17,000 telephone attachments are installed in homes, and government workers arrange telephone rentals, help more than 49,000 with home alterations, arrange 63,000 vacations, and assist 346,000 people with assorted personal appliances.[15] If instead of such “caring,” the National Health Service were merely to charge the full costs for the $90 million in sedatives, $32 million in antacids and $11 million in cough medicine spent annually, it could treat as many as 15,000 additional cancer patients and save an additional 3,000 kidney patients.[16]

Shortages from price control-induced rationing are also felt heavily in rural areas and among minorities. For example, the wealthier North East Thames region near London has 27% more doctors and dentists, 15% more hospital beds, and 12% more total health spending per capita than the more rural Trent region in the northern region of England.[17]

That the British medical system’s rationed failures have not created more of a stir on this side of the Atlantic is indeed testimony to the bureaucracy’s campaign of propaganda and disinformation.

Despite egalitarian claims to the contrary, the British government’s system of controls has utterly failed to end inequalities. The official government task force on the subject in fact found little evidence of any change since the system’s adoption in 1948.[18] Consumption of health care services by people in Britain’s highest social class was 40% higher than by people in the lowest social class.[19]

Rationing continues as before, and commoners pay the price in time away from treatment. Little wonder then that some 6.6 million Britons are turning to private health plans or just paying cash for treatments for which they would otherwise still be waiting as subjects of government health care.[20]“

Too many of those who do not have their own and can not afford their own healthcare coverage will die while on waiting lists. Those who die due to healthcare rationing are the scapegoats of Obama’s Universal Healthcare. And all of this will be done to save money, price control of a system doomed to failure from its inception.

Many of those who die every year in the United States because of no health care coverage or not enough are black and latino. It is, therefore, safe to say that under universal healthcare, the majority of those who will be placed on waiting lists and even die while on these waiting lists will also be black and latino.

As unfortunate as it is and cruel as it sounds, many of the very people who choose to vote for Barack Obama and are not aware of Obama’s platform and will die metaphorically speaking by the hands of Barack Obama if he implements such a program.

Sonsie · 01-26-2009, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bcp

Good morning Comrads

You're not far from the truth! Remember Chairman Mao's little red book? Well Now Obama's little blue book is here!

From the Amazon book excerpt:

"It is an unofficial requirement for every citizen to own, to read, and to carry this book at all times. Printed in a size that easily fits into pocket or purse, it is comprised of quotations borrowed from the President's speeches and writings. His guiding principles will enlighten the minds of the people and prepare the way for a new era of change.
In order to master the President's ideology, it is essential to study many of the basic concepts over and over again and it is best to memorize important statements and apply them repeatedly. Learn earnestly and diligently. Together we can bring about the next great chapter in the American story."

Creepy hey? I can see the lefties here rubbing one out every night to this...

cwo_ghwebb · 01-26-2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonsie

You're not far from the truth! Remember Chairman Mao's little red book? Well Now Obama's little blue book is here!

From the Amazon book excerpt:

"It is an unofficial requirement for every citizen to own, to read, and to carry this book at all times. Printed in a size that easily fits into pocket or purse, it is comprised of quotations borrowed from the President's speeches and writings. His guiding principles will enlighten the minds of the people and prepare the way for a new era of change.
In order to master the President's ideology, it is essential to study many of the basic concepts over and over again and it is best to memorize important statements and apply them repeatedly. Learn earnestly and diligently. Together we can bring about the next great chapter in the American story."

Creepy hey? I can see the lefties here rubbing one out every night to this...

Nonno has three copies you said?

*bcp* ^(Premo) · 01-26-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

Nonno has three copies you said?

I think nonno has the books on tape version.
that way he can leave it on while sleeping and absorb as much as possible.

01-25-2009, 06:32 AM	#2
Larry Gude ^(Premo) Strung Out Member Since: Feb 2001 Posts: 63,351	During the campaign, the health care debate reached maturity; it was no longer a discussion of whether or not we should have public health care, but how. Obama and Hillary went to great lengths to argue the 1% difference in their 94 and 95% plans. McCain, to his credit, had a decent plan that would have empowered people to buy and own their own health insurance plans. Of course, I doubt many remember it because he was not very passionate about nor every good at describing why it was a good idea in the first place. It's coming; Socialized Health care. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Add post to Facebook __________________ "...When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law. These two evils are of equal consequence, and it would be difficult for a person to choose between them." Frédéric Bastiat
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01-25-2009, 08:40 AM	#3
bcp ^(Premo) In My Opinion Member Since: Dec 2005 Posts: 42,890	Good morning Comrads Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Add post to Facebook __________________ Fear the Government that Fears your gun.
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01-25-2009, 11:45 PM	#4
chernmax NOT Politically Correct!! Member Since: Jul 2006 Location: Displaced New Yorker in Southern MD Posts: 15,384	Another given to universal healthcare are the waiting periods and waiting lists for treatment under universal healthcare. True to form, those with private health care coverage will be able to afford and receive treatment much quicker than those with universal healthcare. Then there is and will be a difference in the quality of treatment as well. Obama, of course, will deny it, but it is a fact that there will are differences and therein lies the failure of universal healthcare. “In Japan, patients covered under government-sponsored health plans often use the private sector for faster, better quality aid, and in order to realize sufficient revenues, Japan’s government-subsidized physicians commonly have to see more than 40 patients a day. If they can’t break into the shortage of private health care services, infirm Japanese have been known to pay steep bribes to circumvent the rationed health care system in order to get direct access to health care providers being reimbursed by the government, through its global budgeting policies on what it will spend for the citizenry’s health care.[8] Similarly, out of a population of 57 million, one million Britons are queued up on extremely long waiting lists to see physicians for both routine and serious conditions, thanks to the rationing that follows price controls and budget caps.[9] Indeed, the British tabloid press loves to sensationalize all too frequently, unfortunately the deaths of patients still on waiting lists. On an annual basis for example, the number of British patients denied treatment include 9,000 for renal dialysis, as many as 15,000 for cancer chemotherapy, as many as 17,000 for coronary artery surgery, and 7,000 for hip replacement.[10]In contrast, the U.S. rate of cardiac pacemaker implants was more than four times that of Britain and 20 times that found in Canada, and CAT scanners are three times more available per capita in the United States over Canada, and six times that found in Britain.[11] Inefficiencies from government controls further manifest themselves in the gross bed mismanagement found in hospitals. Despite the long waiting lists in Britain and Canada, one in four beds remains empty at any time, with hospital occupancy rates at 74% for acute beds and 82% for all beds.[12] Yet 25% of acute care beds are being utilized by so-called “bed blockers” for long-term nursing home purposes, often at 600% the cost.[13] Additional absurdities abound in the British National Health Service, where while price controls leave the chronically ill to die waiting for treatments, the system pursues an enormous make-work jobs program of services for those in good health. British citizens, for example, annually take almost 20 million ambulance trips, equal to one trip per citizen per year, and of which 91% are for non-emergency purposes such as taxiing elderly patients to local pharmacies.[14] “Health visitors” treat 4.1 million people in their homes, and chiropodists treat another 1.1 million. 33 million meals are delivered to people’s homes, more than 17,000 telephone attachments are installed in homes, and government workers arrange telephone rentals, help more than 49,000 with home alterations, arrange 63,000 vacations, and assist 346,000 people with assorted personal appliances.[15] If instead of such “caring,” the National Health Service were merely to charge the full costs for the $90 million in sedatives, $32 million in antacids and $11 million in cough medicine spent annually, it could treat as many as 15,000 additional cancer patients and save an additional 3,000 kidney patients.[16] Shortages from price control-induced rationing are also felt heavily in rural areas and among minorities. For example, the wealthier North East Thames region near London has 27% more doctors and dentists, 15% more hospital beds, and 12% more total health spending per capita than the more rural Trent region in the northern region of England.[17] That the British medical system’s rationed failures have not created more of a stir on this side of the Atlantic is indeed testimony to the bureaucracy’s campaign of propaganda and disinformation. Despite egalitarian claims to the contrary, the British government’s system of controls has utterly failed to end inequalities. The official government task force on the subject in fact found little evidence of any change since the system’s adoption in 1948.[18] Consumption of health care services by people in Britain’s highest social class was 40% higher than by people in the lowest social class.[19] Rationing continues as before, and commoners pay the price in time away from treatment. Little wonder then that some 6.6 million Britons are turning to private health plans or just paying cash for treatments for which they would otherwise still be waiting as subjects of government health care.[20]“ Too many of those who do not have their own and can not afford their own healthcare coverage will die while on waiting lists. Those who die due to healthcare rationing are the scapegoats of Obama’s Universal Healthcare. And all of this will be done to save money, price control of a system doomed to failure from its inception. Many of those who die every year in the United States because of no health care coverage or not enough are black and latino. It is, therefore, safe to say that under universal healthcare, the majority of those who will be placed on waiting lists and even die while on these waiting lists will also be black and latino. As unfortunate as it is and cruel as it sounds, many of the very people who choose to vote for Barack Obama and are not aware of Obama’s platform and will die metaphorically speaking by the hands of Barack Obama if he implements such a program. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter Add post to Facebook __________________ “When somebody doesn't do the job, we gotta let ‘em go.” ~ Clint Eastwood
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