What costs more?

[2ndAmendment]

The war in Iraq or illegal aliens?

The media is saying that polls show that the American public is sick and tired of the costs of the Iraq war. Fear mongering rhetoric about how it is costing us all we have to keep our troops overseas. Bart Jones of newsday.com says "The United States has spent about $10 billion a month on the war, and some experts predict the ultimate cost will surpass $1 trillion and perhaps even reach $3 trillion. Meanwhile, more than 4,000 U.S. soldiers have died in the conflict, along with tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of Iraqis."


Well here are some more facts!

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.*
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.*
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.*
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally.**
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.**
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.**
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.**
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.***
9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.**
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens.**
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.****
12. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.*****
13. 'The Dark Side’ of illegal immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes committed by illegal immigrants in the United States.******

By just going by this short list of items illegal aliens are costing the American people $400 billion a year vs $120 billion a year for the war in Iraq.


References: * Center for Immigration Studies, ** CNN.com - Transcripts, *** www.premium.cnn.com, **** http://tinyurl.com/t9sht, ***** http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf, ****** Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, Ph.D. - Criminal Profiler : Crime & Terrorism investigation resources

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Where's the list showing what illegals paid in taxes, produced by working, earned and spent in the US economy?

Where's the list showing what Iraqi's paid in taxes, produced by working, earned and spent in the US economy?

How about the $2 trillion, and counting, Americans have sent overseas, including to Iraq, in the form of massively over priced oil since 2001, especially 2004?

How about the trillions upon trillions Americans lost in the stock market, housing and jobs while our leaders were pre occupied with Iraq instead of running the store they were hired to mind?

There is no doubt, no doubt that uncontrolled illegal immigration has many costs associated with it. There is also no doubt that people coming here to work is not all bad. As for Iraq, what do we get out of it?

All things considered, I'd rather have the results of the illegal problem to deal with than the results of Iraq.

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Where's the list showing what illegals paid in taxes, produced by working, earned and spent in the US economy?

Where's the list showing what Iraqi's paid in taxes, produced by working, earned and spent in the US economy?

How about the $2 trillion, and counting, Americans have sent overseas, including to Iraq, in the form of massively over priced oil since 2001, especially 2004?

How about the trillions upon trillions Americans lost in the stock market, housing and jobs while our leaders were pre occupied with Iraq instead of running the store they were hired to mind?

There is no doubt, no doubt that uncontrolled illegal immigration has many costs associated with it. There is also no doubt that people coming here to work is not all bad. As for Iraq, what do we get out of it?

All things considered, I'd rather have the results of the illegal problem to deal with than the results of Iraq.

If we're so concerned about Iraq and the money we've spent there, should we really have the military stationed in the myriad of places world-wide that don't contribute a penny to our economy here?



Bring them all home.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Where's the list showing what illegals paid in taxes, produced by working, earned and spent in the US economy?

If they're paying income taxes, doesn't that mean they're either legal immigrants with taxpayer ID numbers, or they're screwing up someone else's lives by having a stolen or invalid SSN? Sounds like a net negative if they're using bad numbers, or a non-issue if they have a valid number, or not happening if they're neither of these categories.

Where's the list showing what Iraqi's paid in taxes, produced by working, earned and spent in the US economy?

How much is the life worth of the incalculable number of people not killed in further terror acts because one of our worst enemies is now an ally? Or, the potential that democratic concepts will win out in the region, and they'll take care of Iran all on their own?

How about the $2 trillion, and counting, Americans have sent overseas, including to Iraq, in the form of massively over priced oil since 2001, especially 2004?

Which has what, exactly, to do with illegal aliens or the WOT?

How about the trillions upon trillions Americans lost in the stock market, housing and jobs while our leaders were pre occupied with Iraq instead of running the store they were hired to mind?

Given that they all talked about it (according to their stories - everybody knew and was being blocked by everybody else - who also knew and was being blocked by everybody else - and tried to fix it), I would say Iraq had absolutely zero to do with the economic bubble and subsequent collapse of financial institutions. Wouldn't you?

There is no doubt, no doubt that uncontrolled illegal immigration has many costs associated with it. There is also no doubt that people coming here to work is not all bad. As for Iraq, what do we get out of it?

All things considered, I'd rather have the results of the illegal problem to deal with than the results of Iraq.

And, we have the negative and positive results of both to deal with.



We should deal with them both. As for Iraq, we have a constantly improving trend. How about the trend and plan for dealing with the illegal aliens?

[Sharon (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

All things considered, I'd rather have the results of the illegal problem to deal with than the results of Iraq.

So when our troops come home from Iraq you'll get behind tackling the illegal problem in the US, right?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

If we're so concerned about Iraq and the money we've spent there, should we really have the military stationed in the myriad of places world-wide that don't contribute a penny to our economy here?



Bring them all home.

What do we spend in Okinawa? What do we get out of it?

What do we spend in Germany? What do we get out of it?

The tread was yet another attempt to paint illegals as this 0 sum, dire problem and make it look, somehow, like it is as bad or worse than the mess in Iraq. To me, it's not even close.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Sharon

So when our troops come home from Iraq you'll get behind tackling the illegal problem in the US, right?

Y'all got me straightened out on the problem of illegals a long time ago. That was quite a discussion. Uncontrolled illegal immigration IS a problem. To me, it pales in comparison to Iraq.

One of my suggested solutions was to use the military to patrol the border instead of this fence business.

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

What do we spend in Okinawa? What do we get out of it?

What do we spend in Germany? What do we get out of it?

The tread was yet another attempt to paint illegals as this 0 sum, dire problem and make it look, somehow, like it is as bad or worse than the mess in Iraq. To me, it's not even close.

What do we spend on illegal aliens? Partially answered.

What do we get out of it?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Y'all got me straightened out on the problem of illegals a long time ago. That was quite a discussion. Uncontrolled illegal immigration IS a problem. To me, it pales in comparison to Iraq.

One of my suggested solutions was to use the military to patrol the border instead of this fence business.

That's great for the future (assuming no one overseas is ever trying to hurt us again); but, what about all those illegal aliens here now?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by This_person

That's great for the future (assuming no one overseas is ever trying to hurt us again); but, what about all those illegal aliens here now?

As I say, once again, illegal immigration IS a problem for this country in many ways. Congress should have long ago started setting annual quotas as to what they considered sustainable and gone about setting up the systems and people to process and handle that.

It still pales compared to what Iraq has cost us.

To me, legalizing drugs would, over night, wipe out 80% of the violent crime in this nation not to mention heal problems on the border.

I can see sending military units to the borders to patrol as a post boot camp first station for many MOS's. That would keep rotating new people in and do the job.