Steny on tobacco regulation and the budget

[NorthBeachPerso]

Originally Posted by Lenny

Well, it is one big lake bed, you know?

Yeah, Edwards isn't close to San Diego or Miramar or anything.


The Navy sends a lot of systems to Edwards now for desert testing, not to mention the huge area of sky with few, if any, flight rules like around here.

[twinoaks207 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Ken King

Yeah, Edwards would be a great location to test sea-based aircraft systems, after all they do have the beach environment. Flight rules are flight rules, they have restricted airspace and Pax has restricted airspace.

Norfolk, Pensacola, Miramar, Jacksonville, Key West, Whiting Field, New Orleans, Brunswick, Meridian, Pascagoula, Corpus Christie, Oceana,.......

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by twinoaks207

Norfolk, Pensacola, Miramar, Jacksonville, Key West, Whiting Field, New Orleans, Brunswick, Meridian, Pascagoula, Corpus Christie, Oceana,.......

None of them have a steam catapult or carrier arresting gear.

[twinoaks207 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ylexot

None of them have a steam catapult or carrier arresting gear.

...like it couldn't be added/retrofitted cheaper than keeping an entire base open & running?

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by twinoaks207

...like it couldn't be added/retrofitted cheaper than keeping an entire base open & running?

How would closing the base save money? Sure, they have F/A-18's, we have F/A-18's...but if you want to move our F/A-18's to a different location, you're talking about building an entire infrastructure of facilities because they are already filled to capacity. So you have to build new hangars, office spaces, and lots and lots of test-specific hardware that most of those places don't have. Test locations are running at or above capacity. Programs are fighting for resources. And you want to make it worse by getting rid of more resources.

[twinoaks207 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ylexot

How would closing the base save money? Sure, they have F/A-18's, we have F/A-18's...but if you want to move our F/A-18's to a different location, you're talking about building an entire infrastructure of facilities because they are already filled to capacity. So you have to build new hangars, office spaces, and lots and lots of test-specific hardware that most of those places don't have. Test locations are running at or above capacity. Programs are fighting for resources. And you want to make it worse by getting rid of more resources.

Go back and read the entire thread. You're missing some critical pieces.

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by twinoaks207

Go back and read the entire thread. You're missing some critical pieces.

What? That you think Edwards could do it? Maybe you missed a critical piece:

Originally Posted by ylexot

Test locations are running at or above capacity. Programs are fighting for resources. And you want to make it worse by getting rid of more resources.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by ylexot

How would closing the base save money? Sure, they have F/A-18's, we have F/A-18's...but if you want to move our F/A-18's to a different location, you're talking about building an entire infrastructure of facilities because they are already filled to capacity. So you have to build new hangars, office spaces, and lots and lots of test-specific hardware that most of those places don't have. Test locations are running at or above capacity. Programs are fighting for resources. And you want to make it worse by getting rid of more resources.

If you combined the missions to one base, you should retire the entire flying-infrastructure and most of the aircraft from the closing base. That's where the savings are supposed to come from. That's what Obama promises with this QDR. AND he promised that before the election. That means everyone in SOMD who voted for the mongrel was, in part, voting to consider closing PAX.

[twinoaks207 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ylexot

What? That you think Edwards could do it? Maybe you missed a critical piece:

My original point in this thread is that Steny Hoyer keeps getting re-elected because he is extremely adept at bringing home the pork. For folks in Southern Maryland who keep re-electing him, that pork is mainly ensuring that Pax River NAS stays open and is not closed down whenever people in government start talking about base re-alignments. Pax River is not just the people that work there, it is their families and all of the families of the workers who work in support job positions (retail, service, schools, housing, etc.).

You and I can argue from now until doomsday about whether or not the tasks performed there can be performed elsewhere and we'd probably never agree. Although, I do have to say that if a major catastrophe took out PAX, the Navy would find a way to transfer needed functions to another NAS, no matter what it took. If you think otherwise, you're living in a very nice fantasy world and I envy you. Nothing and no one in this country is indispensable right now.

And, those, my friend, are the pieces that you're missing.

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by twinoaks207

My original point in this thread is that Steny Hoyer keeps getting re-elected because he is extremely adept at bringing home the pork. For folks in Southern Maryland who keep re-electing him, that pork is mainly ensuring that Pax River NAS stays open and is not closed down whenever people in government start talking about base re-alignments. Pax River is not just the people that work there, it is their families and all of the families of the workers who work in support job positions (retail, service, schools, housing, etc.).

You and I can argue from now until doomsday about whether or not the tasks performed there can be performed elsewhere and we'd probably never agree. Although, I do have to say that if a major catastrophe took out PAX, the Navy would find a way to transfer needed functions to another NAS, no matter what it took. If you think otherwise, you're living in a very nice fantasy world and I envy you. Nothing and no one in this country is indispensable right now.

And, those, my friend, are the pieces that you're missing.

Well then, I'll ask again...

Originally Posted by ylexot

What pork has Steny brought to Pax?