The Myth of 90 Percent

*chernmax* ^(Premo) · 04-02-2009, 01:54 PM

Obama pulls another majic number out his ass!!!

The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.While 90 percent of the guns traced to the U.S. actually originated in the United States, the percent traced to the U.S. is only about 17 percent of the total number of guns reaching Mexico.

EXCLUSIVE: You've heard this shocking "fact" before -- on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States.

-- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City.

-- CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama.

-- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States."

-- William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that "there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States."

There's just one problem with the 90 percent "statistic" and it's a big one:

It's just not true.
In fact, it's not even close. By all accounts, it's probably around 17 percent.

What's true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency's assistant director, "is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S."
But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

"Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.

The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

frogman123 · 04-02-2009, 02:41 PM

oh my god who cares?? all you people like to do is b*tch about everything and anything- just stfu

*ylexot* ^(Premo) · 04-02-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by frogman123

oh my god who cares?? all you people like to do is b*tch about everything and anything- just stfu

Is someone forcing you to read?

BTW, I'm sure you'd care if the government used blatant lies to support taking away something of yours.

frogman123 · 04-02-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ylexot

Is someone forcing you to read?

BTW, I'm sure you'd care if the government used blatant lies to support taking away something of yours.

No i am not forced to read- however did you even read it? It's not saying that because"90%" or "17%" of guns recovered in Mexico are traced back to the US that guns should be taken away from you. lol read the f*ckin story moron.

*Pete* ^(Premo) · 04-02-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by frogman123

No i am not forced to read- however did you even read it? It's not saying that because"90%" or "17%" of guns recovered in Mexico are traced back to the US that guns should be taken away from you. lol read the f*ckin story moron.

blindness becomes you

*chernmax* ^(Premo) · 04-02-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by frogman123

oh my god who cares?? all you people like to do is b*tch about everything and anything- just stfu

Statistic show 99.99% of people on this forum don't give a fuk about your opinion. My facts may be flawed but you'll just have to deal with it since your OK with fudged numbers...

*ylexot* ^(Premo) · 04-02-2009, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frogman123

No i am not forced to read- however did you even read it? It's not saying that because"90%" or "17%" of guns recovered in Mexico are traced back to the US that guns should be taken away from you. lol read the f*ckin story moron.

If I'm a moron, what does that make you since I know more than you:
Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban - ABC News

Quote:

"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.

Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.

"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S.

ImnoMensa · 04-02-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ylexot

If I'm a moron, what does that make you since I know more than you:
Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban - ABC News

NWV News -- Obama's plans for gun control

Another Obama Campaign promise broken. Obama is a bigger liar than Bill Clinton and thats hard to top.

04-02-2009, 01:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
chernmax ^(Premo) You Lie!!! Member Since: Jul 2006 Location: Displaced New Yorker in Southern MD Posts: 9,811	The Myth of 90 Percent Obama pulls another majic number out his ass!!! The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.While 90 percent of the guns traced to the U.S. actually originated in the United States, the percent traced to the U.S. is only about 17 percent of the total number of guns reaching Mexico. EXCLUSIVE: You've heard this shocking "fact" before -- on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States. -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City. -- CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama. -- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States." -- William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that "there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States." There's just one problem with the 90 percent "statistic" and it's a big one: It's just not true. In fact, it's not even close. By all accounts, it's probably around 17 percent. What's true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency's assistant director, "is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S." But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S. "Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News. The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. - Presidential Politics \| Political News - FOXNews.com __________________ - Obamacare, "It's Shovel Ready" - Dither Free Zone!
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