Give illegal immigrant children a chance

Originally Posted by puggymom

I may consider it only if they had to pay for college themselves. I am already worried about how we are going to pay for our kids, 4 and 2, to go to college if our IRA & 401K stock trends continue. I think my head would explode if our taxes were paying for illegals to go to college.

[Nonno]

What a bunch of ignorant twits. The Dream Act doesn't PAY for college.

[huntr1]

Originally Posted by Beaver-Cleaver

I don't have a problem with illegal immigrant children getting permanent residency if they complete college or serve in the military. I don't have a problem with that at all... it's not their fault they were brought over here most of the time.

Now, paying for their college is when most American children can't afford to go to college and all the part time jobs they can get to help pay for college are taken.

What is it with politicians today? Giving free college education on taxpayer dollar to illegal immigrants and repeat juvenile law offenders? What's next?

I guess obeying the law and doing the right thing is a moral hazard now since our governments are handing the bill of irresponsible people over to responsible law-abiding citizens who are struggling.

I cannot believe I am about to say this, but .

[huntr1]

Originally Posted by Nonno

What a bunch of ignorant twits. The Dream Act doesn't PAY for college.

No, but illegals are elligible for gov't grants and loans for college that come from taxpayer funds. They also get "in-state" tuition rates which are subsidized by taxpayers.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Nonno

What a bunch of ignorant twits. The Dream Act doesn't PAY for college.

Wasn't anyone's point, but good thing you grasped onto that.


However, why do you think children of criminals should continue to profit off of criminal activity?

[frogman123]

This is a touchy subject... In the senario stated, yeah that sucks and I would like to say let them stay.... buuttt if we make it ok, then who is to say that there won't be an massive increase in border hopping just to "plant" their kids in the US?

bcp- you are saying that the child, who is now an adult, should suffer for their mothers decisions? No, that is just wrong. I see what you are trying to say, but very poor choice of words.

bcp 2nd comment- try to think outside of the box, just for a second. Drop the racism and stereotyping. Everything in that comment is not true. Yes, there are some bad kids, mexican, american, african american etc. Grow up, come on....

vrai- completely agree- well not with how you threw "liberals" in there, but there is a path to citizenship, but that might not be well known in Mexico. Sounds dumb but i am sure that we don't "advertise" that on the border.

Also, I do think it's complete BS that taxpayers should pay for a nontaxpayers education etc. There needs to be a reform so no nontaxpaer gets any benefits. ie no SSN, no benefits.

Maybe the collaboration b/w the US and Mexico with the "drug war" will improve relations. Maybe, probably not, but maybe if we were to send troops to help (non combat) they would step up security on their side of the border to prevent people without credentials coming into the US/MX? Long shot, but wishful thinking.

[SamSpade]

My thought on this is - suppose it was reversed. Suppose the child in question was illegally in *MEXICO*. What would happen to him then?

What if it was France? Germany? Italy, Japan, United Kingdom, Russia, China? Or any of these wonderful high standard of living nations like Sweden?

How do THEY treat someone who is illegally in their nation?

[puggymom]

Originally Posted by huntr1

No, but illegals are elligible for gov't grants and loans for college that come from taxpayer funds. They also get "in-state" tuition rates which are subsidized by taxpayers.

they would not be eligible to receive any grants/loans etc coming from taxpayer money. Only private grants and the like.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by frogman123

bcp- you are saying that the child, who is now an adult, should suffer for their mothers decisions? No, that is just wrong. I see what you are trying to say, but very poor choice of words.

No, its not a poor choice of words. its exactly what it is. We can not afford to continue to take on the burdens of raising children for other countries. sorry to sound cold, but they need to be sent packing with the illegal parents. Those childrens welfare is not our concern. Your type of thinking is what is driving this sactuary state reasoning. If you take away the safety net for their children, then you reduce the attraction here in the first place.

bcp 2nd comment- try to think outside of the box, just for a second. Drop the racism and stereotyping. Everything in that comment is not true. Yes, there are some bad kids, mexican, american, african american etc. Grow up, come on....

What is sterotyping when I say that their inability to speak english is causing problems in the classroom and creating a lessor experience for those students that do belong?
So you get a group of the non english speaking kids that huddle together in the back of the class and have their own conversation in spanish, this causes other kids to tell them to shut up, it creates an atmosphere of hostility that can only end in fighting.
and that comes directly from a couple teachers I know that are stuck with these kids in their class.

its not racism to point out fact, the word racist has been reduced by the liberals to mean, someone that does not think like me. Not to mention that you just might want to find out a bit more about me before you call me racist against the hispanics.

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by puggymom

they would not be eligible to receive any grants/loans etc coming from taxpayer money. Only private grants and the like.

isnt that funny?
you can be from Ohio with a family history in this country that goes back 200 years, and you pay out of state rates in Maryland, but you can be hispanic with a family history that goes back 1 year when mom and dad snuck across the border at midnight, and that qualifies you for instate rates.

Am I the only one that sees a serious problem here?