Why GOP is in Trouble

[Libertarian]

Unlike the Democrats, the Republicans don't have a reliable demographic voting block they can depend on regardless. For example, the Democrats seemingly can depend on the black community as a voting block in which 92%of their votes cast go for Democrats. Even among the "good 'ol boys" in fairly rural areas that hunt and follow NASCAR, you won't find a segment in which anywhere near 92% of them vote for the GOP. This is due in part to the fact that many of these "good 'ol boys have their "proud American union jobs" which have convinced (misled) them to vote for Democrats for job security, and due in part that their wives and girlfriends, are even more likely to vote for the Democrats (due in part because Democrats have succeeded in scaring them that Republicans will take away their right to suck a living baby out of them and flush it down the sink).

Another advantage Democrats have is voter turnout, which is influenced largely by convenience. It is no secret that on election day, Democrats and organizations which indirectly benefit them go to urban areas to round up hundreds of thousands of individuals from homeless shelters, senior citizens homes, subsidized housing areas, and scare them into voting for Democrats with lines such as "Republicans want to take away your Social Security," "Republicans help the rich get richer," etc. Many of these voters probably can't even read, but are told to vote for each candidate that has a "D" after his or her name. Even if the GOP could encourage more voter turnout by providing transportation and such, it would not be as effective due to geographics. In other words, imagine how far a bus would have to travel through West Virginia to get the same number of voters that a bus could get in, say, northern Virginia.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Baloney.

The GOP is in trouble because they turn their backs on the people who support them. They say one thing and do another.

It is true that the Dems have all these blocks. However, most of the blocks are at odds with one another on various issues.

The simple fact of the matter is that if the GOP controlled spending, was strong on national defense, (not nation building) actually limited government, worked for CARBON fuel independence, made solid progress on nuke power, reduced the entitlement problems instead of worsened them and supported American jobs IN America, well, THAT appeals to far more Americans than all the Dem groups cobbled together.

Fact is, they say those things, but did not do them when they had the chance. So, where is the motivation to support them if they are basically going to be Democrats?

[PsyOps]

What explains GOP dominance in 94, 96, 98, 00, 02 and 04?

[Libertarian]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Baloney.

The GOP is in trouble because they turn their backs on the people who support them. They say one thing and do another.

It is true that the Dems have all these blocks. However, most of the blocks are at odds with one another on various issues.

The simple fact of the matter is that if the GOP controlled spending, was strong on national defense, (not nation building) actually limited government, worked for CARBON fuel independence, made solid progress on nuke power, reduced the entitlement problems instead of worsened them and supported American jobs IN America, well, THAT appeals to far more Americans than all the Dem groups cobbled together.

Fact is, they say those things, but did not do them when they had the chance. So, where is the motivation to support them if they are basically going to be Democrats?

Good point, but the Dems turn their backs on their supporters too. My point is that the GOP cannot equalize the stupidity of the Dem voters.

[Libertarian]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

What explains GOP dominance in 94, 96, 98, 00, 02 and 04?

GOP got back congress in '94 because people suddenly feared Clinton's (incl. Hillary's) liberal agenda. However, the GOP, despite running on the platform of "restoring conservatism" that year, moved right back to the center after they got elected to the House, and helped Clinton pass his liberal agenda, including his Brady Law for guns. I don't recall the specifics of the other years you mentioned, but they were probably very similar situations: vote for us; we REALLY ARE GONNA BE CONSERVATIVE THIS TIME, and then they get voted in and become liberal.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Good point, but the Dems turn their backs on their supporters too. My point is that the GOP cannot equalize the stupidity of the Dem voters.

Well, it doesn't matter anyway. The media, I am told, control everything anyway.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

GOP got back congress in '94 because people suddenly feared Clinton's (incl. Hillary's) liberal agenda. However, the GOP, despite running on the platform of "restoring conservatism" that year, moved right back to the center after they got elected to the House, and helped Clinton pass his liberal agenda, including his Brady Law for guns. I don't recall the specifics of the other years you mentioned, but they were probably very similar situations: vote for us; we REALLY ARE GONNA BE CONSERVATIVE THIS TIME, and then they get voted in and become liberal.

So what I get out of this is… if the people don’t get something really conservative they are going to vote really liberal. And we’re not just talking liberal, we’re talking socialist. There’s just no logic in it.

I think for conservatives it became about Bush the GOP being too liberal and McCain being more of the same. For everyone else it became about Bush and the war and the GOP that supported it and one word… CHANGE. Either way, those that voted principle and those that voted for change voted for socialism because EVERYONE had to have known the end result.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Well, it doesn't matter anyway. The media, I am told, control everything anyway.

Only the minds of those who vote. I mean look at you... the media perpetuated the myth that Bush is a liar and you believed it.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Only the minds of those who vote. I mean look at you... the media perpetuated the myth that Bush is evil Satan Hitler and the cause of all ills in the world and you believed it.

:fixed:

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Only the minds of those who vote. I mean look at you... the media perpetuated the myth that Bush is a liar and you believed it.

As I have said, repeatedly, I think Bush is a good man. I also think he got excited about the dream of liberating and bequeathing freedom and liberty around the world. And I think he got us into a giant mess that spiraled out of control by his serious mistakes and the nature of the beast. I have NEVER called him or thought him a liar.