Just Stamp am L on Jeb's Forehead ....

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

Well if the NYT, LAT WaPo, and other LSM sources bury the truth, label others as nut jobs (see Ron Paul), instead of simply reporting the Facts (of course most Americans are too lazy to think for themselves anymore and want to be told what to do) ...

then yes the Media is complicit ....

even now the Lapdogs have no real criticism of the Messiah ....

unless you listening to Rush, but then you cannot get anything accomplished .....

The media argument is completely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that conservatives dominate the radio. Conservatives dominate the TV political shows. Conservatives dominate the book world. For every Chris Mathews there is a Hannity who is KILLING him in the ratings. There is a Washington Times. There is FOX. Non issue.

The problem, the issue is conservatives are po'd at the GOP and are betrayed by how Bush governed and the things he did and the things Frist and Hasstert and Boehner and McConnell let him do. The last thing they were gonna get out and go support was Mr. RINO himself.

Many GOP'ers feel that lesser of two evils is somehow better of two evils. Many on the right of the party see that sort of thinking as the core problem; it's still evil.

People on the right take the position that if we're going to be the party of Dubbya and the party of McCain, well, then, it doesn't matter; we still all lose. All we're talking about is a matter of degree, losing by a little less, and we'd rather fight back and lose some battles in an effort to try and win the war; better government.

[Bann (Premo)]

I didn't take from this that he is saying to just forget the Reagan era totally. Not the principles of it, anyway. I took it more as we (as conservatives) need to look forward, apply our values & morals, principles, etc. to the future - the challenges of today & to the challenges of the future.

In reading the whole article, Mitt Romney & Eric Cantor say the same things, too. I take it they are doing this to find out from real American conservatives what THEY want to move this party forward. They talk about being concerned about moving the party forward & not getting mired down in the past party losses, etc. (ebb, flow, etc.) They also acknowledge that the left had strategies that obviously won them the election & we need to employ some of those types of stratgies. (Cell phone texting, Twitter, etc)

I just don't see that he's saying forget about Reagan or his era.

This was later in that same article:

Mr. Bush was the most forthright of the panel, repeatedly returning to the notion of looking forward, of the need to first and foremost "create a consensus around 21st-century ideas that truly matter for American families."

"We have principles, we have values. They are the values that are shared by the majority of Americans, there's no question about it. But we have to now take those principles and values and apply them to the challenges that our country faces today and in the future. ...

"And then, hopefully - God willing - [we] embrace our conservative principles and take these new ideas and present them to the American people," he said.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

The media argument is completely irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that conservatives dominate the radio. Conservatives dominate the TV political shows. Conservatives dominate the book world. For every Chris Mathews there is a Hannity who is KILLING him in the ratings. There is a Washington Times. There is FOX. Non issue.

maybe .... but even though Mom enjoys O'Reilly, she will not tune in Fox unless I do ... maybe the wife just tolerates it when i watch Fox, but she will make comments about the new stories ....

what was O'Reilly's Viewership ?? 3 mil ... there are about 220 adults in this country ... where do you think most are getting there news ?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

.. where do you think most are getting there news ?

American Idle.


I don't argue that there is no media bias; clearly, there is. However, the information is out there, on both sides, on all sides, for anyone who bothers.

Why don't people bother? Because many don't think there's a dimes worth of difference between the parties, so, why put energy and effort into worrying about the weather? It's gonna be 'weather. Not clearly better or worse either way.

And why do people think there isn't much difference? One need simply look at the last eight years.

So, for people who think the media is in control, especially for people who think the media is in control, it is that much more critical to reject folks who are part of the problem, Bush, McCain, and not part of the solution because if you're just gonna support them anyway because they won, then, go support Obama for the same reason; he won.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

The media argument is completely irrelevant.

I didn't even read after that sentence because you started off with something that is completely untrue, and there's no reason for me to waste time reading you build on that untruth.

The media in this country is extremely powerful and if you don't believe that, and haven't seen it for yourself when it's completely evident, then I don't know what to tell you.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

where do you think most are getting there news ?

People Magazine, the National Enquirer, E! News, Jon Stewart, MTV.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Why don't people bother? Because many don't think there's a dimes worth of difference between the parties, so, why put energy and effort into worrying about the weather? It's gonna be 'weather. Not clearly better or worse either way.

No.

People don't bother because they don't care. They want to be entertained, not informed. THAT is a fact, and I give you these forums as a perfect example if you need one beyond the obvious.

Most people couldn't tell you anything about either of the parties, any of the candidates, and would probably have a hard time naming their own Congressional representatives. They cannot pick out Iraq or Afghanistan on a map, and are hard-pressed to even pick out the US on a map.

Like RP said, they vote for who they're told to vote for because it saves them from having to actually think about it and make a valid decision.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I didn't even read after that sentence because you started off with something that is completely untrue, and there's no reason for me to waste time reading you build on that untruth.

The media in this country is extremely powerful and if you don't believe that, and haven't seen it for yourself when it's completely evident, then I don't know what to tell you.

Yes, 'it' is powerful and if you could be bothered to read, in context, what I said, you might have something to have a conversation about rather than simply dismissing the point out of hand. If anything, you are doing exactly what people do that you complain about; read the headline, make a snap judgement, and move on without having context or perspective or even had read the whole point.

The media argument is irrelevant BECAUSE both sides have power and influence. The Russians having the bomb would be one problem if we didn't have it. It is another problem because we do have our own bombs.

You're argument was accurate 20 years ago when media control was much more narrow in it's bias. With FOX and the Washington Times and Limbaugh and Coulter and Hannity and all the rest, all you're saying is that the media is powerful. On both sides. Rain is wet. The Russians have the bomb. So do we.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

No.

People don't bother because they don't care. They want to be entertained, not informed. THAT is a fact, and I give you these forums as a perfect example if you need one beyond the obvious.

Most people couldn't tell you anything about either of the parties, any of the candidates, and would probably have a hard time naming their own Congressional representatives. They cannot pick out Iraq or Afghanistan on a map, and are hard-pressed to even pick out the US on a map.

Like RP said, they vote for who they're told to vote for because it saves them from having to actually think about it and make a valid decision.

Go ahead; explain the difference between Bush and McCain on one side and Obama and Biden on the other.

If both parties have different names yet play the same music, time after time after time, people are gonna stop caring what you call it.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

With FOX and the Washington Times and Limbaugh and Coulter and Hannity and all the rest

And you totally blew off my point, which was ENTERTAINMENT.

Most people who loathe Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc, have never even heard or read them. They watch entertainment "news" and have been told to hate, so they do. If Scarlett Johansson loves Obama and hates all Republicans, they will follow her lead.

You give people more credit for intelligence than they deserve. Just because you are interested in news and politics doesn't mean everyone is. If that were the case, more people would watch news shows than Desperate Housewives, right?

However Celebrity Apprentice has an average of 8 million viewers, while all cable news shows combined for the whole of prime time get around 6 million viewers. (Desperate Housewives, btw, has 13 million viewers.)