Just Stamp am L on Jeb's Forehead ....

Jeb Bush, GOP: Time to leave Reagan behind

Party leaders go on 'listening tour' with eyes on future

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said Saturday that it's time for the Republican Party to give up its "nostalgia" for the heyday of the Reagan era and look forward, even if it means stealing the winning strategy deployed by Democrats in the 2008 election.

"You can't beat something with nothing, and the other side has something. I don't like it, but they have it, and we have to be respectful and mindful of that," Mr. Bush said.

The former president's brother, often mentioned as a potential candidate in 2012, said President Obama's message of hope and change during the 2008 campaign clearly resonated with Americans.

"So our ideas need to be forward looking and relevant. I felt like there was a lot of nostalgia and the good old days in the [Republican] messaging. I mean, it's great, but it doesn't draw people toward your cause," Mr. Bush said.

"From the conservative side, it's time for us to listen first, to learn a little bit, to upgrade our message a little bit, to not be nostalgic about the past because, you know, things do ebb and flow."

What conservative side ...

that is the problem running someone like McSame ... the election was between a Socialist and a Liberal ..... there was no real difference between the 2

Pleaze Biatch ....


if the GOP hopes to be revelat again, they need to get back to Conservative ROOTS ... not trying to Out Spend DemoRats On Social issues

(Bushes Prescription Drug Plan was a huge mistake)

Mr. Cantor said meeting with ordinary folks is the key way "to begin a conversation with the American people" and explain Republican principles to anyone who will listen.

The "Party Leaders" do not have princeipals .... they is why the GOP lost .... they sold out trying to win on someone elses platform ...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

What a hoot. Half the GOP can't leave his brother behind yet he wants Reagan moved on from. Whose next? Enough with this Lincoln stuff?

No more lower taxes?
No more smaller government?
No more minding our own business?
No more strong defense?


This is what I keep harping on; HOW WE GOT HERE.

We did NOT get here because Republicans spent too little money.
We did NOT get here because the GOP leaned up the government.
We did NOT get here because we avoided becoming the worlds policeman.
We did NOT get here because we have oil independence.
We did NOT get here because taxes were too low.

Good Lord. If nothing else, McCain proved what we already know; if people want Democrats, they're gonna vote for the real thing instead of pseudo Dems. Same thing happened through the 80's and into taking over the House in the 90's; People wanted real Republicans, not fake ones.

If this party, the GOP, leaves behind Reagan then what's the point?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

What conservative side ...

that is the problem running someone like McSame ... the election was between a Socialist and a Liberal ..... there was no real difference between the 2

Pleaze Biatch ....


if the GOP hopes to be revelat again, they need to get back to Conservative ROOTS ... not trying to Out Spend DemoRats On Social issues

(Bushes Prescription Drug Plan was a huge mistake)





The "Party Leaders" do not have princeipals .... they is why the GOP lost .... they sold out trying to win on someone elses platform ...

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

that is the problem running someone like McSame ... the election was between a Socialist and a Liberal .....

And what you forget is that McCain won the nomination by getting the most votes - from the Republican voters, not some cabal.

The majority of the people in these United States are not conservative - they are either extreme Left, liberal, or "moderate". They want nanny government.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Thanks, I thought you'd Agree ....

I can see we need a Conservative Party ....

maybe the Constitution Party ?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by RadioPatrol

Thanks, I thought you'd Agree ....

I can see we need a Conservative Party ....

maybe the Constitution Party ?

You need to grammar check the title. Then, we'll tell everyone how smart we are.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

And what you forget is that McCain won the nomination by getting the most votes - from the Republican voters, not some cabal.

The majority of the people in these United States are not conservative - they are either extreme Left, liberal, or "moderate". They want nanny government.

If your theory is correct, how did McCain lose? By your reasoning, he is just what people want.

If you are correct, how did the GOP win the House in 1994 and hold it for 12 years? How did the GOP win back to back terms in the White House? Hold both chambers, House and Senate, for six years?

If a conservative won the nomination and got trounced like McCain did, that would prove your point. However, it seems a lot more likely that folks were simply angry and disappointed with the GOP. I mean, did the GOP lose the House and the Senate AND the White House for spending too little money? For gaining oil independence? For reigning in entitlements? For socializing the economy too little? For refusing to be the worlds police man?

As I keep saying, the left owes a huge debt of gratitude to W; he served their interests. Greatly.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

If your theory is correct, how did McCain lose? By your reasoning, he is just what people want.

He is obviously what *most* Republicans wanted. You can't get past that. It's not like Huckabee is some bastion of conservativism, or Romney or any of the others except Ron Paul.

He lost for the same reason Barack Obama supposedly has all these high approval ratings: media influence. Most of the people who voted for Obama didn't know a thing about him. I can give you names of people you know personally for a reference on that. They got caught up in the hype of "hope" and "change" and "black".

Barack Obama will win a second term - watch and see. And the mid-terms will pick up even more Dem seats.

Watch and see.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

He is obviously what *most* Republicans wanted. You can't get past that. It's not like Huckabee is some bastion of conservativism, or Romney or any of the others except Ron Paul. You're right on that, he won. End of argument. However, I am arguing the WHY he lost. Many people have pointed out the dynamics of how McCain would get a minority of the primary votes yet, with so many others in the field dividing the vote, he wins.

He lost for the same reason Barack Obama supposedly has all these high approval ratings: media influence. Most of the people who voted for Obama didn't know a thing about him. I can give you names of people you know personally for a reference on that. They got caught up in the hype of "hope" and "change" and "black".

Barack Obama will win a second term - watch and see. And the mid-terms will pick up even more Dem seats.

Watch and see.

Again, if your position is that the media controls the whole thing, then it makes no sense for you to even care because you know nothing can be done about them or the weather.

As for mid terms, make your bet. The GOP will pick up seats in both Houses and they will do it on platforms of raising hell about run away liberalism.

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

He lost for the same reason Barack Obama supposedly has all these high approval ratings: media influence.

Well if the NYT, LAT WaPo, and other LSM sources bury the truth, label others as nut jobs (see Ron Paul), instead of simply reporting the Facts (of course most Americans are too lazy to think for themselves anymore and want to be told what to do) ...

then yes the Media is complicit ....

even now the Lapdogs have no real criticism of the Messiah ....

unless you listening to Rush, but then you cannot get anything accomplished .....

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

It's not like Huckabee is some bastion of conservativeness, or Romney or any of the others except Ron Paul.

maybe .... but Huckabee would have been far better than the others .... Except Ron Paul