Speaker Hoyer?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Is Pelosi about to fall off a cliff over her lies concerning waterboarding? Is she vulnerable, additionally, as Madame Pork, the face of the stimulus trough? Does Steny, and SOMD, benefit, by his ascension to Speaker if she starts being held to account for her ideas of leadership? And shown the door?

This questions, and others, are percolating in my mind this AM.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Is Pelosi about to fall off a cliff over her lies concerning waterboarding? Is she vulnerable, additionally, as Madame Pork, the face of the stimulus trough? Does Steny, and SOMD, benefit, by his ascension to Speaker if she starts being held to account for her ideas of leadership? And shown the door?

This questions, and others, are percolating in my mind this AM.

Oh, you'd better believe there are people who don't like her & would stab her in the back in a minute.

I think this whole thing with Jane Harman is a lot bigger than what has been talked about widely in the media. She & Nancy do not like each other, and Nancy is the type of woman who will scratch out the eyes of her own mother to get what she wants. Jane Harman has never seemed that way to me. I'm sure there are other examples of Nancy throwing someone under the bus - and this may well only be the tip of the iceberg.

And I think MORE people would vote for Steny now - especially after what has gone on the past couple of years.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Bann

Oh, you'd better believe there are people who don't like her & would stab her in the back in a minute.

I think this whole thing with Jane Harman is a lot bigger than what has been talked about widely in the media. She & Nancy do not like each other, and Nancy is the type of woman who will scratch out the eyes of her own mother to get what she wants. Jane Harman has never seemed that way to me. I'm sure there are other examples of Nancy throwing someone under the bus - and this may well only be the tip of the iceberg.

And I think MORE people would vote for Steny now - especially after what has gone on the past couple of years.

Yes! So, we're starting a movement; Pitch Pelosi off the precipice!

[SamSpade]

He's also *defending* Pelosi in this mess. If they were both Republicans, that would be the kiss of death. In the Democratic Party, memories of such pronouncements usually go back about a week.

So it's anyone's guess, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by SamSpade

He's also *defending* Pelosi in this mess. If they were both Republicans, that would be the kiss of death. In the Democratic Party, memories of such pronouncements usually go back about a week.

So it's anyone's guess, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Yeah, but Steny has to 'offer' her a rope. It's not his fault if she accidentally hangers herself!

"I know and support Nancy Pelosi! She has far too much honor and integrity to EVER sit here and take on the awesome and kewl responsibilities of being Speaker of the House to be found out to be a lying, hypocritical scumbag. Why, she'd sooner resign that allow this great office to be besmirched which, of course, is impossible as honorable and integrity ridden as she is!"

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by SamSpade

He's also *defending* Pelosi in this mess. If they were both Republicans, that would be the kiss of death. In the Democratic Party, memories of such pronouncements usually go back about a week.

So it's anyone's guess, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Of course he's supporting Nancy. In public.

But the question from Larry didn't include Steny ousting Nancy. It had to do with Nancy doing herself in by her actions as speaker.

And, if there was some kind of underground campaign to get rid of Nancy - she'd be sure to get wind of it at some point. Woe be to Steny if he's caught with one whiff of that campaign on his breath - she'll destroy him.

[Tilted]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Yes! So, we're starting a movement; Pitch Pelosi off the precipice!

Well then, here's what you do. Find someone to leak a story that 'leadership within the Democrat party' have been seriously considering a push to remove Biden from the 2012 ticket. They are 'in the early stages' of negotiations that could have him replaced by Nancy Pelosi, whose star has risen fast among liberals over the last decade. Speculation is that this move is designed to position her as the clear Democratic nominee for 2016. The Democratic leadership apparently hopes to build on its established image as 'the party of inclusion', by following up its successful effort to put the first non-white President in office, and put the first female President in office.

Then, sit back and let her own party take her down. I'd bet there is at least one high level Democrat who isn't about to let himself be stepped over, and multiple others who have designs on being their Presidential nominee some day, who don't want to see that position locked up for the next 12-16 years. Furthermore, I'm sure that the smart people, who make the strategic decisions within the party, don't want Pelosi for a candidate - anyone can see that she's just Hillary Clinton without any of the likable qualities.

To be clear, no one in the Democratic party needs to believe that the leaked story is true, they just need to wonder if it is someone among them floating a trial balloon.

(This is cool - we're thinking like Democrats now. )

[huntr1]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Is Pelosi about to fall off a cliff over her lies concerning waterboarding? Is she vulnerable, additionally, as Madame Pork, the face of the stimulus trough? Does Steny, and SOMD, benefit, by his ascension to Speaker if she starts being held to account for her ideas of leadership? And shown the door?

This questions, and others, are percolating in my mind this AM.

A DEMOCRAT being held accountable for their actions and statements? Just what are you growing in those greenhouses of yours? "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Ring any bells?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by huntr1

A DEMOCRAT being held accountable for their actions and statements? Just what are you growing in those greenhouses of yours? "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." Ring any bells?

We can debate 'is'. And we can discuss the word 'impeached' while we're at it.

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Is Pelosi about to fall off a cliff over her lies concerning waterboarding? Is she vulnerable, additionally, as Madame Pork, the face of the stimulus trough?

Yes, and yes.

Does Steny, and SOMD, benefit, by his ascension to Speaker if she starts being held to account for her ideas of leadership? And shown the door?

While Steny may benefit, SoMD won't. Maybe in the short, selfish terms, but not in the long, Americanized view. What fundamental difference is there for America if Pelosi or Hoyer are Speaker?

We'd benefit from a disappearance of both of these individuals in the House much, much, much more than we would benefit from rearranging the chairs of failed leadership.