Obama Motors exporting more US jobs...

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by itsbob

We should go look at how Chavez solved the issue.. it's what we'll do..

If he upped imports of Chinese made vehicles, you can bet your ass we;ll do the SAME thing.

WHICH begs the question..

Anyone in here that supported Obama and voted for him.. have ANY came forward and said.. YEP, I screwed up, I made a mistake?? Anyone??

Camily??

Camily??

[EmptyTimCup]

Originally Posted by itsbob

If he upped imports of Chinese made vehicles, you can bet your ass we;ll do the SAME thing.

I can see it now .....

the UAW will control GM ( government motors ) and Chrysler ....

get paid millions of tax dollars to manufacturer nothing (remember the Gobberment owns a large portion or rather will own a large portion [ I see GM and Chrysler Employees becoming Federal Emp.]) and we import cheaply made Chinese Cars because they own some much Gobberment Debt

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by EmptyTimCup

I can see it now .....

the UAW will control GM ( government motors ) and Chrysler ....

get paid millions of tax dollars to manufacturer nothing (remember the Gobberment owns a large portion or rather will own a large portion [ I see GM and Chrysler Employees becoming Federal Emp.]) and we import cheaply made Chinese Cars because they own some much Gobberment Debt

Then it becomes a question of who controls the UAW and then it becomes a question of who the union controls.

History is always interesting from the standpoint of finding out, long after the fact, what was actually going on, who controlled who and what the true big picture goals actually were.

The Kennedy's did have relationships with the mob through the father.

His boys did try to assassinate Castro

Nixon did know what was going on with Watergate.

LBJ did get us into Vietnam for economic reasons.

Reagan did try to get around congress and help the Contras.

FDR and Wilson before him did mean to get us involved in the World Wars.

Bush did mean to get us embroiled in Iraq

Clinton truly did only care about golf and getting laid.


We can always debate the merits and the intentions of history and it's larger moments, but not that presidents are helpless victims of circumstances.
Right now, Obama is, clearly, trying to socialize the US, thus the global, economy with implementation of the simplest, most straight forward government model of all time; tyranny.

Thus two schools of thought; Is the best president the one that seizes the levers of power and puts his stamp on history, Wilson, FDR, Bush 43, or is the best president humble enough to keep their hands off of as many things as possible, Reagan?

Whatever the case may be, Obama is definitely in the former category and I think history speaks for itself as to the results.

[Tilted]

GM May Focus on Cheaper Imports, Cut US Jobs

General Motors is engaged in negotiating a reorganization that could increase vehicle imports from its plants in Mexico and Asia while closing factories and cutting the work force in the United States.

That approach drew a sharp rebuke from the United Automobile Workers union on Friday. In a letter to each member of Congress, the U.A.W., which represents G.M. factory workers, argued that to qualify for more government assistance, the auto giant should be required “to maintain the maximum number of jobs in the United States.”

The administration, however, appears to accept the proposition that to return to profitability as quickly as possible, G.M. must import a significant percentage of cars from its plants in low-wage countries, like Mexico and China, or low-cost countries, like Japan.

G.M. already imports a third of the vehicles that go to showrooms in this country. That percentage would not change in the plan that G.M. is preparing to submit to the administration to justify billions of dollars in new loans to stave off collapse.

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But the Obama administration apparently sees interference in such plans as crossing a line into industrial policy, rather than helping a giant multinational get back on its feet as a successful, privately managed global operation.

Okay, I don't know what the author based that last assertion on, but it was good for an audible chuckle.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Tilted

Okay, I don't know what the author based that last assertion on, but it was good for an audible chuckle.

It would be fascinating to have heard the conversation when someone, finally, stood up and said "Gentlemen! This may be a bridge too far!"

Did they all pause, then burst into laughter? "Just kidding!"

Did they pause and actually make note that it is even possible for them to go too far?

I'm all for transparency in government. I would have enjoyed those deliberations.

[Tilted]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

It would be fascinating to have heard the conversation when someone, finally, stood up and said "Gentlemen! This may be a bridge too far!"

Did they all pause, then burst into laughter? "Just kidding!"

Did they pause and actually make note that it is even possible for them to go too far?

I'm all for transparency in government. I would have enjoyed those deliberations.

I'd be more inclined to believe that such a notion was an 'after-the-decision-was-made-for-other-reasons, let's-use-this-opportunity-to-pretend-we-really-are-free-marketers' kind of thing.

But then again, maybe I'm just becoming a bit of a cynic.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Tilted

I'd be more inclined to believe that such a notion was an 'after-the-decision-was-made-for-other-reasons, let's-use-this-opportunity-to-pretend-we-really-are-free-marketers' kind of thing.

But then again, maybe I'm just becoming a bit of a cynic.

The old 'after the decision is made for other reasons fake left hit right smokescreen' trick, eh?