Obama to restart Bush terror suspect tribunals

[jayzee]

1st he forces the EPA to save the Bay
2nd he bars the release of the photos
and now this......ugh

Have I mentioned the ACLU sucks.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama is planning on Friday to resume the Bush administration's controversial military tribunal system for some Guantanamo detainees -- which he suspended in his first week in office -- according to three administration officials.
As a senator, President Obama spoke against the Bush tribunal policy.

As a senator, President Obama spoke against the Bush tribunal policy.

Some of the high-profile terror suspects who are being charged in the tribunal process include Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-confessed mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.

The administration officials stressed that the updated system will include expanded due-process rights for the suspects, which administration officials note is consistent with what Obama pushed for as a senator in 2006 in order to improve upon the widely criticized approach created by the Bush administration.

The move could increase tensions with liberal groups, led by the ACLU, which are already furious about Obama's shift this week to block the release of photos showing prisoners allegedly being abused by U.S. personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Anthony Romero, executive director of the ACLU, called the expected new approach on military tribunals "fatally flawed" despite the changes.

"The military commissions are built on unconstitutional premises and designed to ensure convictions, not provide fair trials," Romero said in a prepared statement released earlier this week after speculation about the restart of military tribunals surfaced. "Reducing some but not all of the flaws of the tribunals so that they are 'less offensive' is not acceptable; there is no such thing as 'due process light.' "

Two of the administration officials said the president will also leave open the option of starting civilian trials on U.S. soil for some of the detainees. But that, too, is a fiercely debated issue on Capitol Hill because of concerns by lawmakers in both parties about where the terror suspects will be kept during such trials.
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Obama suspended the tribunals by signing an executive order on his third day in office, the same day he signed an order closing the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo, and said his administration would conduct a 120-day review of the process. That review comes due next week.

"The message that we are sending around the world is that the United States intends to prosecute the ongoing struggle against violence and terrorism," Obama said on January 22. "And we are going to do so vigilantly, we are going to do so effectively, and we are going to do so in a manner that is consistent with our values and our ideals."

Eager to head off criticism from liberals, administration officials note that during the 2006 Senate debate over the Military Commissions Act, Obama called the Bush administration's approach "sloppy" and pushed for another version of the legislation with enhanced rights for detainees.

"Instead, we have rushed through a bill that stands a good chance of being challenged once again in the Supreme Court," Obama said on the Senate floor on September, 28, 2006. "This is not how a serious administration would approach the problem of terrorism."

Obama to resurrect military tribunals for terror suspects - CNN.com

[ImnoMensa]

You want torture photo's?/

Go to Youtube and type in Muslim torture, you will get all the torture you can handle. It makes waterboarding look like rding the merry go round.

[Mike (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

You want torture photo's?/

Go to Youtube and type in Muslim torture, you will get all the torture you can handle. It makes waterboarding look like rding the merry go round.

It kills me when people say the photos or memos make a difference on how these Islamic extremist scum will treat our troops if they have the misfortune of being captured.

Do you think these thugs will give them a soccer ball, a bible, 3 ethnic meals a day and a campground setting in nice weather to hang out in?

Or will they saw our men's heads off with a rusty dull blade for an Al-Jezeera "breaking news" spot?

You can't deal sanely with a culture that glorifies their children becoming suicide bombers. They will never come to a table to sit down and discuss peace. Peace is not in their vocabulary. Show me one muslim leader that condemns the jihad or is willing to discuss finding a middle ground.

[EmptyTimCup]

Originally Posted by Mike

You can't deal sanely with a culture that glorifies their children becoming suicide bombers. They will never come to a table to sit down and discuss peace. Peace is not in their vocabulary. Show me one muslim leader that condemns the jihad or is willing to discuss finding a middle ground.

They claim to be for PEACE ....


Islamic lexicon

hudna: Honest Reporting has a good definition of the Arab/Muslim concept of hudna:
Hudna has a distinct meaning to Islamic fundamentalists, well-versed in their history: The prophet Mohammad struck a legendary, ten-year hudna with the Quraysh tribe that controlled Mecca in the seventh century. Over the following two years, Mohammad rearmed and took advantage of a minor Quraysh infraction to break the hudna and launch the full conquest of Mecca, the holiest city in Islam.
In essence, this is religious license to renege on ones word, and to regroup, rearm, and reorganize to attack when ones enemy is lulled into thinking that one will be honest and fulfill ones side of a truce. This is tactic has been used over and over in Islam's history, and is used to great effect today by Yasser Arafat, Hamas, al-Aqsa, and other Islamic terrorists all over the world. Recent examples include Fallujah and Najaf. What Westerners need to do is to read Islamic scripture and learn that in Islam there is no concept of permanent submission to any other power than God's. Treaties mean nothing. Beware the hudna.

jihad: Islamic holy war to spread Allah's religion. We are unconcerned at C&R about the so-called "greater" jihad, because all faiths and value systems contain this emphasis on self-improvement. We are far more interested in the "lesser" jihad, since it is the holy writ which justifies, and indeed requires, that we be killed for our unbelief. Just for laughs, go check out the MSA version, which, by the way, is a form of taqiyya. Jihad is primarily the offensive spread of Islam and/or expansion of its territorial borders through violent force of arms. This is called jihad al mubadahah (offensive jihad). It is sanctioned in the Koran, the sunna, and sharia law, and is a mandatory act of devotion. It is utilized when the peaceful offer of conversion to Islam is refused. Jihad is incumbent on all able-bodied Muslims, and to die in jihad as a shahid*, fighting the infidels in God's name, is regarded as the highest honor. Here is a fatwa on offensive jihad. And here's another one which is less explicit, yet equally favorable to offensive jihad. Defensive jihad to expel kuffar from Muslim lands is called Jihad al-dafa'ah. The Reliance of the Traveller (´Umdat al-Salik) manual of Islamic fiqh is abundantly clear on the conept of jihad against the infidel:

taqiyya: Dissimulation; lying for the sake of ones religion; concealing ones true religious beliefs for strategic reasons. Taqiyya is a lie by commission, rather than by omission, as in kitman. The concept of al-taqiyya is one historically associated with Shia Islam. This is because Sunni Muslims, who believe that Shiites are heretics, would impel them to denounce their faith, thinking this would expose them as mushrikeen when they refused to. In response, the Shia would do so, but hold true to their faith in their hearts, thus preserving their faith and their lives. Taqiyya is now used by all Muslims as a means of deceiving infidels about Islam's aims, practices, and aspirations.

nikayah: the Islamic concept of doing whatever is necessary to weaken the infidel enemy, to protect Islam, and to aid in its expansion. The ulema generally agree upon its validity and necessity, and it is used to justify attacks on the infidels in which women, children, and other noncombatants may be killed.

[Mike (Premo)]

Originally Posted by EmptyTimCup

They claim to be for PEACE ....

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Given they have no concept of peace and zero tolerance, basically its us or them. And Hussein Obama is assisting them as quickly as he can.

[jayzee]

Originally Posted by Mike

Given they have no concept of peace and zero tolerance, basically its us or them. And Hussein Obama is assisting them as quickly as he can.

Would releasing the photos show better leadership?

Would no Military Tribunals make you smile?

Is John Hunstman a bad pick for ambassador to China?

Everything this POTUS does is wrong, was everything GW did correct?

The Party of NO rolls on

[Mike (Premo)]

Originally Posted by jayzee

The Party of NO rolls on

I'm proud to be a member of the party that says "No" to stupidity and irresponsibility, than to be part of the kNOw-nothing but shut up & spend party.

So far, all the Socialist party has proven is they can't do anything without controversy and theiresteemed leader should have picked up a "An Acting Like A President for Dummies" book. His inexperience is shining throughout the world like a beacon of indecision and weakness.

But I'm sure the Socialists will eventually find a way to blame Obama's inexperience on Bush, too.