GOP moving forward...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...but how?

There is a power struggle going on and the argument is made by many in the party that the party has suffered because it has gone too far to the right and that a move to the right at this time would be disastrous.



Any remotely objective discussion of the last 8 years shows these issues as 'too far right';

The gay marriage battle.
Tax cuts for the rich.
The wars
Torture
No socialized medicine
No headlong dive into the man made global warming economy
Alito and Roberts

That about? Am I missing anything? What else happened the last 8 years due to GOP leadership that was 'too far to the right'?

[This_person]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...but how?

There is a power struggle going on and the argument is made by many in the party that the party has suffered because it has gone too far to the right and that a move to the right at this time would be disastrous.



Any remotely objective discussion of the last 8 years shows these issues as 'too far right';

The gay marriage battle.
Tax cuts for the rich.
The wars
Torture
No socialized medicine
No headlong dive into the man made global warming economy
Alito and Roberts

That about? Am I missing anything? What else happened the last 8 years due to GOP leadership that was 'too far to the right'?

I don't think too many on the right are initiating any gay marriage battles.

Tax cuts were for all (well, most), not the rich.

We tortured somebody? Haven't heard any evidence of that.

What the hell is man made global warming? Every bit of actual science I've read is that there may or may not have been warming (as opposed to natural variations in temperature), but that the idea it could be man-made is like saying Mt. Everest was man made 'cuz some guy built a dirt pile near it.


As for socialized medicine, we're politically to the right. Alito, Roberts, politically to the right (yet, fully qualified ).

My first reaction to "the wars" is that they are to the right, but isn't everything that starts with national defense in mind? But, since the vast majority of both sides voted FOR "the wars" and continued to vote to fund them, how is this a "right" issue? Only when you let others define your issues does it become theirs or yours, and that's how this became a "right" issue.

Your larger point I think is very valid - the issues that have hurt the conservatives have been the abandonment of conservatism.

[Sparx]

Utility deregulation

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Sparx

Utility deregulation

Good one!

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by This_person

Your larger point I think is very valid - the issues that have hurt the conservatives have been the abandonment of conservatism.

The larger point is the 'message' and how it is sold. We know, from Reagan to Clinton to Obama, it is the messenger AND the message.

At present 'the message' is being framed by the Obama wing of the media that Limbaugh and Cheney and Newt are the leaders of the GOP and that that is fine with them because those folks must spell doom for the GOP because they are right wingers AND we just got done rejecting right wing policies.

Now, all of that is true...except the last part. And that is the issue at hand. No one in their right mind can make an argument that right wing policies are responsible for the current mess unless one would argue that we've had much in the way of right wing leadership the last 8 years. Compassionate conservatives and neoconservatives, yes, but real conservatives? Not so much.

Thus the battle is defined; Argue FOR conservative policies BECAUSE we've strayed so far from them.

George Will said that the seeds of a GOP revival lay in the policies of the Democrats and that has always been true. Those in the GOP that would argue the seeds of revival are in emulating those policies are battling hard to win the day.

And that is where my list comes in to play; for a McCain or his campaign director or Olbermann or Rahm or Nancy the question; where were those right wing policies you speak so lowly of?

[Mike (Premo)]

Abortion - a real deal breaker and divider.

[Sparx]

Privatizing social security

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Sparx

Privatizing social security

Might not be a good time for that.

One of the many good features of using Fanny as the bad seed to destroy the global economy is that, even though it was government that set the trap, it can now be argued that even more government is key because of the terrible things that can happen in the 'free' market.

Barney gave traders the rope to hang themselves with and Bush sat by and watched 'em do it.

[ImnoMensa]

Well personally my problem with the GOP is that they spent like liberals and let the democrats walk all over them.
Gay Marriage Battle ?? a joke.
The wars? You mean Obama not removing us from this one and involving us even more in Afghanistan?? Thats Obama's problem now
Torture?? More Bull crap. damned right torture them if it gives information that saves lives. saying that if we dont torture they wont either is the argument on morons.
Socialised Medicine. wait till they get it, they will wish they never had.
Global warming. Horse hockey, a tax scam. a made up argument to get us into death traps and stop our economy and give it to third world countries. Global warming with the sun cooling off. wait two years and the argument wil be old as we are cooling off.
It is too far to the right to want America to survive the Muslim's 4 years?