Obama Speaking now...

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Serious. It's just like a stripper; The little coy glances, the alluring smile. The flirting. I'm like "This freaking guy is gonna start stripping..."

America is thankful he didn't.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

AS each candidate was weeded out McCain came out on top. I get this "terribly difficult concept" about splitting votes but it does not preclude the fact that McCain still came out on top. Conservatives did not come through to get a conservative candidate. Where were they?

Then it shouldn't preclude you from seeing why he is NOT the choice of most people and it should then not preclude you from seeing that his win isn't some huge SIGN of the countries true feelings.

Conservatives were SPLIT. They were not unified on anything other than McCain wasn't making their hearts sing.

Damn. How much simpler does it get?

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Then it shouldn't preclude you from seeing why he is NOT the choice of most people and it should then not preclude you from seeing that his win isn't some huge SIGN of the countries true feelings.

Conservatives were SPLIT. They were not unified on anything other than McCain wasn't making their hearts sing.

Damn. How much simpler does it get?

That's pretty "damn" simple. I will concede your point when this next election proves you right. Because you are not accounting for a democrat congress and most governorships moving in favor of democrats as well as mayorships. More and more states have turned blue. Our country, as a whole, has voted LEFT. This goes way beyond just the president. How "damn" simple is that?

[chernmax (Premo)]

Damn, Cheney is handing the Obama administration their asses. No wonder Obama made his unscheduled speech...

Go Cheney...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

That's pretty "damn" simple. I will concede your point when this next election proves you right. Because you are not accounting for a democrat congress and most governorships moving in favor of democrats as well as mayorships. Our country, as a whole, has voted LEFT. This goes way beyond just the president. How "damn" simple is that?

So, you don't get it.

At present, there is nothing preventing it from happening again and plenty of GOP types are fighting tooth and nail to move the party to the left on the heels of McCain's good showing.

And why did they vote for change? Because the GOP governed too far to the right?

You don't get it. You really don't. You think, for the most part, compassionate conservatism was just fine these last 8 years, 6 of full GOP leadership and that people are rejecting good, sound conservative government in favor of socialism.

You really think that the GOP leading to the left and then having a left leaning candidate and then losing, time and again, is evidence of a left leaning country instead of an outraged country losing patience for a GOP that is failing them and failing the nation.

Is that right?

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

So, you don't get it.

At present, there is nothing preventing it from happening again and plenty of GOP types are fighting tooth and nail to move the party to the left on the heels of McCain's good showing.

And why did they vote for change? Because the GOP governed too far to the right?

You don't get it. You really don't. You think, for the most part, compassionate conservatism was just fine these last 8 years, 6 of full GOP leadership and that people are rejecting good, sound conservative government in favor of socialism.

You really think that the GOP leading to the left and then having a left leaning candidate and then losing, time and again, is evidence of a left leaning country instead of an outraged country losing patience for a GOP that is failing them and failing the nation.

Is that right?

Larry I get this, we disagree and you think I don't get it. I do not support this direction of "compassionate conservatism". Can't you see how much I am complaining about it? I want conservatism back in the GOP. Your claim that this "compassionate conservatism", this left-leaning GOP even exists and puts left-leaning candidates on the ticket proves my point. Your claim that "people are rejecting good, sound conservative government in favor of socialism" only proves my point.

I ask you this... If Romney or Huck, or even Paul had won the primary do you think they would have beaten Obama? Do you think the makeup of Congress would have turned out differently? Do you think VA would ramain red? Or FL being on the precipice of turning blue?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

I ask you this... If Romney or Huck, or even Paul had won the primary do you think they would have beaten Obama? Do you think the makeup of Congress would have turned out differently? Do you think VA would ramain red? Or FL being on the precipice of turning blue?

I think Paul would have KILLED Obama because, A, he would have gotten all the yellow dog GOP votes as McCain did, B, he voted emphatically no for TARP and would have spent every single day saying "I told you so" as Bush and Obama and Nancy and Harry sat there with there TARP and the mess that brought on, C, he would have spent day after day talking common sense to the American people unfiltered by folks trying support McCain/Huck/Romney/Rudy etc. and contrasted directly to Obama's snake oil.

Huckabee and Romney, in my view, who knows? I have no idea what Huck is about except God, doing a decent job in Ark and playing bass. Romney is too Ken Doll and made his money on paper, not producing anything.

Paul would have hit like Perot did; common sense. REAL straight talk. CLEAR definition of what is WRONG.

He is a poor messenger but he's got the message. Had it been given the unavoidable national spotlight, I think he wins. Big.

McCain is a poor messenger and no one knows what his message is. Yet, you people consider Paul a kook and you voted for a guy who was, in 2004, actively trying to be John Kerry's running mate. And you make myriad excuses for it and you're embarrassed and you know it's your fault that the GOP is STILL adrift instead of emphatically saying we will tolerate no more RINO's or 'compassionate' conservatives because it DOES NOT WORK FOR THE NATION. Ha.

How do you like that?

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

I think Paul would have KILLED Obama because,

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

A, he would have gotten all the yellow dog GOP votes as McCain did

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

B, he voted emphatically no for TARP and would have spent every single day saying "I told you so" as Bush and Obama and Nancy and Harry sat there with there TARP and the mess that brought on,

People voted believing TARP would work not based on the fact that it wouldn’t. Another

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

C, he would have spent day after day talking common sense to the American people unfiltered by folks trying support McCain/Huck/Romney/Rudy etc. and contrasted directly to Obama's snake oil.

If that were the case his campaigning would have won it for him. As much as I like Paul’s conservative stance, he is a poor speaker, he has a poor stance on the war, and he didn’t resonate with voters.


Lastly on McCain... I don't know how I can make it any more clear to you Larry that I didn't want McCain. I felt he was the only choice between he and BO.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

People voted believing TARP would work not based on the fact that it wouldn’t. Another TARP was never gonna work. That was obvious. If socialism worked, there's all kinds of governments that would still be around. The ones that are are moving more and more to market based economies. Because of the failures of socialism. Good Lord, within days, Bush changed the stupid thing from reliveing troubled assets to handing Hank the checkbook.



If that were the case his campaigning would have won it for him. As much as I like Paul’s conservative stance, he is a poor speaker, he has a poor stance on the war, and he didn’t resonate with voters.


Lastly on McCain... I don't know how I can make it any more clear to you Larry that I didn't want McCain. I felt he was the only choice between he and BO.

You didn't want McCain. You voted for him. Now the party is in turmoil between those who argue "Look at all the votes the Mavericky guy got! A little more to the left and we're good!" vs. those who say "it failed BECAUSE we're already too far to the left."

OK.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

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If that were the case his campaigning would have won it for him. As much as I like Paul’s conservative stance, he is a poor speaker, he has a poor stance on the war, and he didn’t resonate with voters.

You have a zero sum view of things. Paul lost therefore we are not a conservative nation. McCain won therefore we are a liberal nation.

Then;

McCain lost because we are a liberal nation.



Every last problem this nation faces right now is because of too far to the left policies for the last 8, going on 9 years. McCain was right at the center of many of them. We are not in trouble because of governing too far to the right. We are in trouble for left leaning policies and governing.