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[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by itsbob

The better candidates split the intelligent vote, and the sludge floated to the top..

I you have three GOOD candidates splitting 60 - 70% of the common sense vote, one crappy candidtate can win the nomination with less then 30% of the vote.

Isn't that how Clinton won the Presidency, twice? He never won a majority of the votes.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

Isn't that how Clinton won the Presidency, twice? He never won a majority of the votes.

It's how Lincoln won the first time.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

You didn't want McCain. You voted for him. Now the party is in turmoil between those who argue "Look at all the votes the Mavericky guy got! A little more to the left and we're good!" vs. those who say "it failed BECAUSE we're already too far to the left."

OK.

I voted for him in the general because he was the clear choice between he and BO. I'm not a "throw my vote away" kind of guy. I'm willing to concede some of my principles in order to satisfy the larger, more important ones (like national security and taxes).

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

TARP was never gonna work. That was obvious. If socialism worked, there's all kinds of governments that would still be around. The ones that are are moving more and more to market based economies. Because of the failures of socialism. Good Lord, within days, Bush changed the stupid thing from reliveing troubled assets to handing Hank the checkbook.

You and I, and most conservatives knew this, but apparently the rest of the country didn't. I'm convinced Paul would have vetoed (if it was vetoable) TARP. And, for the very last time I do not disagree with you on how Bush (and Paulson et al) completely flipped fiscally and shunned his so-called conservative principles. I'm just as angry about this as you are.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

You didn't want McCain. You voted for him. Now the party is in turmoil between those who argue "Look at all the votes the Mavericky guy got! A little more to the left and we're good!" vs. those who say "it failed BECAUSE we're already too far to the left."

OK.

Wanting McCain is like wanting to kill an intruder in your house. You really don't want to do it, but you know you have to for the better good. I knew I wasn't going to get what was best; I knew I would be putting a left-leaning RINO in the WH. I simply saw him as the better option to a complete progressive and socialist.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

You have a zero sum view of things. Paul lost therefore we are not a conservative nation. McCain won therefore we are a liberal nation.

Then;

McCain lost because we are a liberal nation.



Every last problem this nation faces right now is because of too far to the left policies for the last 8, going on 9 years. McCain was right at the center of many of them. We are not in trouble because of governing too far to the right. We are in trouble for left leaning policies and governing.

Paul lost, Huckabee lost, Romney lost, Congress lost, mayorships and governorships lost because this country has moved left. You're not looking at the whole picture. McCain lost the general because the country appears to want BO's form of socialism. Even after BO blurted out "spread the wealth around" (and I thought it was over for him then) the people still wanted him.

If every last problem we are facing now is because we have been governed to the left then how do you explain a country that elected a government that is even farther left of that? There is no logic in your claim.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Paul lost, Huckabee lost, Romney lost, Congress lost, mayorships and governorships lost because this country has moved left. You're not looking at the whole picture. McCain lost the general because the country appears to want BO's form of socialism. Even after BO blurted out "spread the wealth around" (and I thought it was over for him then) the people still wanted him.

If every last problem we are facing now is because we have been governed to the left then how do you explain a country that elected a government that is even farther left of that? There is no logic in your claim.

There you have it; we went left because people wanted it. Why, it wouldn't be if that's not what people wanted.

Bush let illegal immigration run wild, massive spending, expansion of government, nothing on oil, Vietnam style quagmires, expanded entitlements, TARP, bailed out the UAW and so on and so forth because that's what people wanted and, damn it, that's what he was elected to do!

Got it.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

There you have it; we went left because people wanted it. Why, it wouldn't be if that's not what people wanted.

Well tell me Larry… how do you vote? Base on what you don’t want? You write this a lot and it makes absolutely not sense. I wanted McCain (IN THE GENERAL) because he was the better/only alternative to Obama. People voted for Obama because they wanted this “change” he was selling. Perhaps, once they see the results of this “change” they will realize it isn’t what they want. That remains to be seen. But voters had to know Obama is far more liberal than McCain, far more liberal that Bush. Are you telling people don’t know these things?

As I wrote before, if – in ’10 – this country wakes up and puts the GOP back in control with a conservative agenda, then I will concede. Until then I am not convinced.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Bush let illegal immigration run wild, massive spending, expansion of government, nothing on oil, Vietnam style quagmires, expanded entitlements, TARP, bailed out the UAW and so on and so forth because that's what people wanted and, damn it, that's what he was elected to do!

Got it.

So they elected Obama who is letting (and will let) immigration run even more wild, is outdoing Bush’s spending by a factor of 10, expanding government by a factor of 10, is anti-oil, is doing nothing to end the war in Iraq, wants to bring terrorists to our homeland, voted for TARP times 10, all the things you say Bush is times 10. Yet the people still voted for him and a supportive democrat congress to boot.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Well tell me Larry… how do you vote? Base on what you don’t want?

Well, lets see. I didn't want Obama. I don't think socialism is a good idea even when done by experts. Obama is a socialist. And a lawyer. And a community organizer. Sounds bad to me.

Next. I don't want McCain. Doesn't care about illegal immigration, not into the whole oil independence 'thing'. Buys into the man made global warming farce. Not real big on tax cuts. Anti free speech. Total suck up to the media. Doesn't know Shia from Sunni. Not strong on strong judges. Sounded the alarm on Fanny. And did no more. Voted for TARP. Oh...oh yeah; Actively tried to become John Kerry's running mate four years ago.

Next. Hmmm...no good on those two. I like Ron Paul. I'd be happy with him as potus over either of them clowns, I'll vote Paul! If either Obama or McCain wins, what I want won't matter any more than it has the last 6 years. My as well vote for who I support.

That's how I did it.

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

And when Obama talks it's as though he's getting ready to do a strip tease?

Bow-chicka-bow-wow!!!

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Well, lets see. I didn't want Obama. I don't think socialism is a good idea even when done by experts. Obama is a socialist. And a lawyer. And a community organizer. Sounds bad to me.

Next. I don't want McCain. Doesn't care about illegal immigration, not into the whole oil independence 'thing'. Buys into the man made global warming farce. Not real big on tax cuts. Anti free speech. Total suck up to the media. Doesn't know Shia from Sunni. Not strong on strong judges. Sounded the alarm on Fanny. And did no more. Voted for TARP. Oh...oh yeah; Actively tried to become John Kerry's running mate four years ago.

Next. Hmmm...no good on those two. I like Ron Paul. I'd be happy with him as potus over either of them clowns, I'll vote Paul! If either Obama or McCain wins, what I want won't matter any more than it has the last 6 years. My as well vote for who I support.

That's how I did it.

BO will definitely raise our taxes (EVERYONE'S); McCain will not.

BO wants to end the war in Iraq not win it; McCain wants to win it.

BO wants to close Gitmo; McCain does not.

BO desires to embarrass America by releasing classified information on interrogations; McCain does not.

BO keeps calling BushCo a bunch of criminals leaving the door open for prosecution; McCain would not o this

BO ended waterboarding; I don't believe McCain would have done this even though he disagree with it.

BO cozies up to dictators, shakes their hands and accepts books from them; McCain would have never allowed this to happen.

BO continually apologizes for our recent past; McCain would never do this.

BO is for the most horrid forms of abortion; McCain only supports the stricted allowance for it.

BO wants universal healthcare on the backs of all tax payers; You even liked McCain's healthcare plan.

BO is against drilling in the US; McCain would.

Paul wasn't going to win no matter how much I liked him

Left with two obvious choices.