Obama's Other Controversial Church

[Bann (Premo)]

Wow - the media really did a great job uncovering this story before the election.



Obama's Other Controversial Church
By Andrew Walden

As President Obama prepared to commemorate D-Day, the Associated Press dug up old details and photos to write a warm fuzzy story about the WW2 service record of Obama's maternal grandfather and grand uncle. One could conclude that the actions of these two-nearly 20 years before Obama was born--are the closest Obama ever came to uniformed US military personnel prior to launching his political career.


But Obama has a much closer military connection-one he has not talked about publicly. Had a reporter asked Obama: "So what were you doing during Bill Ayers' fugitive days?" An honest answer would be: "I was going to Sunday school at a church which had provided sanctuary to US military deserters."


While John McCain was being tortured as a prisoner of war in Hanoi, First Unitarian Church of Honolulu -- at which the elementary-age Obama would later attend Sunday school after returning from Indonesia in 1970 or 71 -- was sheltering deserters and AWOLs recruited by ‘flirty fishing' coeds from a Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) group known as "The Resistance". The deserters' exploits were front page news for months on end in mid-1969 Honolulu. They were also proudly trumpeted by the Honolulu SDS tabloid, "The Roach".


The contrast between the war hero POW and the Obama deserters' church would have made a pretty good campaign commercial. But nobody in Honolulu spoke up to claim Obama's First Unitarian connection until after Election Day. Even then it was hush-hush. As the Star-Bulletin explained December 24:

"(Rev Mike) Young, pastor of the First Unitarian Church of Honolulu, could only tell his wife and a handful of church administrators that a small, private service was planned for Madelyn Payne Dunham on Dec. 23. It was very hard to keep this secret. ..."

Obama's maternal grandmother had passed away just days before the election. The story of his ties to the church began to emerge only after he attended her memorial service. They have never received wide media attention, but have been published just enough that-after being kept secret in the 2008 campaign -- this chapter of Obama's life can arguably no longer be considered a secret to be revealed in any 2012 campaign. The connection to Vietnam deserters has not been included in any of the Obama-related coverage.

Andrew Walden edits hawaiifreepress.com.
American Thinker: Obama's Other Controversial Church

[chernmax (Premo)]

Everything that Obama hides has to be controversial, Birth Certificate, College transcripts, shady friends, etc, why else would Obama be paying major law firms hundreds of thousands of dollars to surpress the release of any of the information.

[PsyOps]

Okay, in all fairness I think it's a hard sell to hold BO accountable to a church he attended when he was in elementary school. Do you really think at that age he understood what was going on in that church?

[chernmax (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Okay, in all fairness I think it's a hard sell to hold BO accountable to a church he attended when he was in elementary school. Do you really think at that age he understood what was going on in that church?

And his mistake with the Rev Wright church of 20+ years?

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Okay, in all fairness I think it's a hard sell to hold BO accountable to a church he attended when he was in elementary school. Do you really think at that age he understood what was going on in that church?

Understood? No. Influenced by? Yes.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by chernmax

And his mistake with the Rev Wright church of 20+ years?

He was an adult at that time and knew exactly what was going on.

I don't have any doubt that the stuff he was indoctrinated with as a kid stuck to him. If that's the point then I get it; but this is already blatantly obvious without this new information. But to somehow attempt to make BO complicit in hiding AWOLers is a stretch.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by ylexot

Understood? No. Influenced by? Yes.

It can almost be argued that he was brainwashed over the early decades of his life and he isn't really responsible for his actions today.

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

I don't have any doubt that the stuff he was indoctrinated with as a kid stuck to him. If that's the point then I get it; but this is already blatantly obvious without this new information. But to somehow attempt to make BO complicit in hiding AWOLers is a stretch.

That's the way I read it.

Analyzing his connections to Wright, Ayers, et al, and his explicit actions seems to be much more valuable than something he was only remotely connected to. This is telling us he was influenced by Liberal, potentially anti-American ideologies as a child. Well, no ####, look who he is today.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Okay, in all fairness I think it's a hard sell to hold BO accountable to a church he attended when he was in elementary school. Do you really think at that age he understood what was going on in that church?

Yes. We are a product of our upbringing. This piece just adds to the information we have about the type of life he had growing up. He was exposed to a very left wing "blame America" lifestyle with his mom, her parents. His grandparents left Washington state because it wasn't liberal enough for them. They raised their daughter that way. She/they raised Obama that way. It's no wonder he turned to the likes of Reverend Wright et. al later on.

He was raised feeling that America was flawed. He's been groomed for this his whole life.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

He was an adult at that time and knew exactly what was going on.

I don't have any doubt that the stuff he was indoctrinated with as a kid stuck to him. If that's the point then I get it; but this is already blatantly obvious without this new information. But to somehow attempt to make BO complicit in hiding AWOLers is a stretch.

That's not the point of the article, really. Yes, it's about the AWOLers, but it's more about the flavor of that church and their philosophies, etc. Obama was brought up in that atmosphere. Yes, *we* know that - but how come American media types didn't bring this out before the election? We know why.

It's about his upbringing. He was raised this way his entire life. NOT to like America and what she stands for. But what she's at fault for, how flawed she is. Look at what's wrong with us, etc. Fits right in with Michelle's "I'm finally proud of my country", doesn't it?

Anyway, I stayed up too late painting and now it's late and I need to get up early!