GOP med plans...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...coming out of the wood work now that there is NOTHING they can do about it.

"Americans should own their own plans so no one can take them away!"

"Americans should be able to buy insurance across state lines to get better deals!"

"They should get the same tax break as giant corporations to pay for it!"

"The people do NOT want Washington between them and their doctor!"

"The people do not want Canadian style rationing where you have to be nearly blind before you can get your cataracts taken care of!"

Oh, the brave, determined minority, fighting hard, for you and me!

[bcp (Premo)]

on one hand, you claim the republicans have to stand up and at least argue the foolishness of the dems right now, then when they do, you criticize them for doing it.

exactly what is it you really want? looks like to me that you spend more time putting the republicans down for whatever they do than you spend putting down the dems warped anti American programs.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by bcp

on one hand, you claim the republicans have to stand up and at least argue the foolishness of the dems right now, then when they do, you criticize them for doing it.

exactly what is it you really want? looks like to me that you spend more time putting the republicans down for whatever they do than you spend putting down the dems warped anti American programs.

Wanna point out where I am criticizing, ie, saying they're wrong to do this or doing it wrong?

You're one of them absolute loyalty types, aren't you?

If you think I'm more critical of the GOP then you might wanna check the batteries in your calculator. Obama gets it from me, daily and big time and right in the guts.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...coming out of the wood work now that there is NOTHING they can do about it.

"Americans should own their own plans so no one can take them away!"

"Americans should be able to buy insurance across state lines to get better deals!"

"They should get the same tax break as giant corporations to pay for it!"

"The people do NOT want Washington between them and their doctor!"

"The people do not want Canadian style rationing where you have to be nearly blind before you can get your cataracts taken care of!"

Oh, the brave, determined minority, fighting hard, for you and me!

If you watched real news once in awhile, you'd have heard them saying these things for months. Chris and Keith won't report it, and neither does the WashPo, so that's probably why you were unaware.

[hvp05]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...coming out of the wood work now that there is NOTHING they can do about it.

Now? I'm pretty sure I have heard them put forth ideas before a week or two ago.

Your statement presumes they could have gotten anywhere several weeks or months ago. How would that have happened?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by hvp05

Now? I'm pretty sure I have heard them put forth ideas before a week or two ago.

Your statement presumes they could have gotten anywhere several weeks or months ago. How would that have happened?

No. My statement presumes they could have gotten something done the six years they controlled congress and the WH.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

If you watched real news once in awhile, you'd have heard them saying these things for months. Chris and Keith won't report it, and neither does the WashPo, so that's probably why you were unaware.

If you'd read what I write once in awhile, you'd know I gave your boy McCain credit for his plan DURING the campaign while pointing out how bad a salesman he was for it.

And you can make all the snarky comments you like about where I get my news because I know you are big enough to admit, here and now, that I read way more sources for news and information than you do and, thus know way more about this stuff than you do.

Fact is, none of these clowns were talking this way when they had the power to do something about it, aka 'the point of the tread'. Admit that too, while you are complimenting me for the vast amount of resources I utilize to keep informed.

[ImnoMensa]

What they need to do right now toward a health pln is to just drop it.

Later in the calm of afterthought both parties need to come up with a real plan. One that they can present to the Presient that will help all of us.

They dont need to be rushed into some POS plan from a Socialist President who tries to shove all of his crap down our throats. They need to take the 600 Billion dollars set aside to hire a new affirmative action Bureau to destroy our current health care, and return it to whomever they borrowed it from.

We dont need a health Czar and thousands of flunky's voting on who gets health care and who doesnt.

[SamSpade]

What they need to do is figure out how in God's name we can lower medical costs. They're rising faster than anything. And I don't know why this is - we have great medical care in this country, but it's not as though the rest of the developed world is in the Dark Ages.

If there's a way to make medical care cost less, making health plans affordable becomes irrelevant. Right now, they are becoming so much more expensive year by year, that more and more employers are simply DROPPING them completely.

All of the current administration's plans for health care do not lower costs - the only thing they do is in the long term, force the individual to do business with the government instead of insurance companies.

It does NOT drive down health care costs. In fact, if in some future all health plans come from the government, you can easily see costs go out of control. No sane person thinks the government, the very definition of bloated bureacracy, can LOWER administrative costs. Either you will pay a lot to Uncle Sam for coverage, or you will pay a lot of taxes to the government for "free" health insurance - and it will suck. Because government coverage already exists - and it sucks.

Just think MVA. That's the future of health care.

[-SS-]

Look here, this is a multifaceted challenge. I present another one not yet mentioned:

Has any of you even considered for a moment that increasing the burden on the current system by 45-50 MILLION people is going to present in logistical SUPPORT and costs alone?

Your first clue should be to recognize that you are going to need a tremendous investment in educating / training alot more healthcare professionals to handle the incoming tidal wave of humanity or you face a significant decrease in quality care.

I have yet to hear this very crucial portion mentioned anywhere by the people touting "national healthcare".