So what if...

[Penn]

Originally Posted by bcp

I have suggested in the past that the "elected" officials were picked by other "elected" officials long before the election.
You dont really get a choice of who runs, you get to vote from a selection of candidates that are presented to you by the party.

then when you vote its closed ballet so nobody knows who you voted for, or who actually won.

I have long suggested that the process is a scam. You get who they want you to get.

Good points.

Why? The Electoral College process dictates who is going to be in the running.

The Popular Vote means diddly squat, as to who is the most qualified to lead our country.

It has already been dictated who will "lead"; and then the Lame Stream Media takes over; and falls in love with their "hero".

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Penn

Good points.

Why? The Electoral College process dictates who is going to be in the running.

The Popular Vote means diddly squat, as to who is the most qualified to lead our country.

It has already been dictated who will "lead"; and then the Lame Stream Media takes over; and falls in love with their "hero".

Electoral college has nothing to do with my tinfoil hat suspicions,
I'm saying that at the popular vote level, we can not possibly know the true choice because of a closed ballet..

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Had the people who actually didn't like McCain not voted for him, he'd have been wiped out and there would be no question as to what the GOP had to do to earn votes.

I disagree with this. The Democrats have successfully hammered it home that the Republicans are TOO conservative, and that's why they've been steadily losing ground.

[Penn]

Originally Posted by bcp

Electoral college has nothing to do with my tinfoil hat suspicions,
I'm saying that at the popular vote level, we can not possibly know the true choice because of a closed ballet..

Alright, I think I catch your drift. But then WHO do we believe - the folks on NBC, ABC, CBS or MSNBC? Fox News?

Who is telling us the truth? What's going on behind the scenes - that we, as voting citizens, are not aware of?

[twinoaks207 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by acommondisaster

There's no real need for some sort of secret society to rule the world surrepticiously. Conspiracy theories are good for daydreaming about but I seriously agree with the poster who said there are just too many points of failure for it to be real.

We're our own worst enemies. We have short attention spans and some of us don't even know who the VP is, much less be able to identify him from a group of 3 photos. Most people don't give a hoot about politics and government. Especially outside this little DC megalopolis. They don't want to be bothered with thinking about government and policies and what laws are being inacted - unless they're really socially conscious - in which case they can drag themselves away from Jon and Kate Plus 8 long enough for vote for the best looking/coolest/same party as my parents/most familiar sounding name candidate on the ballot.

I believe we're moving in this direction because people are complacent and a whole generation slept through Civics classes and don't understand what our government is there for. So helping those "less fortunate" sounds good until you figure out exactly what socialism really is about. But I don't think there's a bigger entity controlling all of this, just as I don't think aliens landed on earth and orchestrated the building of the pyramids and Atlantis.

New World Order? Doesn't that happen every time power shifts?

Our current emphasis on high-stakes testing guarantees that we spend too much time teaching "to the test" and NOT teaching "how to think, reason, and make informed decisions" -- this is where this kind of thing gets critical! (27+ years in education so I know what I am talking about first-hand here!)

Originally Posted by bcp

I have suggested in the past that the "elected" officials were picked by other "elected" officials long before the election.
You dont really get a choice of who runs, you get to vote from a selection of candidates that are presented to you by the party.

then when you vote its closed ballet so nobody knows who you voted for, or who actually won.

I have long suggested that the process is a scam. You get who they want you to get.

And, if you register as an independent in Maryland, you don't get a say at all! We need to really re-vamp the entire selection process!

Originally Posted by Penn

Good points.

Why? The Electoral College process dictates who is going to be in the running.

The Popular Vote means diddly squat, as to who is the most qualified to lead our country.

It has already been dictated who will "lead"; and then the Lame Stream Media takes over; and falls in love with their "hero".

Popular vote SHOULD count! As far as the Media goes, if we could figure a way to get the economics out of it (ratings races), we'd have a Media that could be objective and honest without fear of failure. The Internet is looking promising in this area -- at least, until they try to "control" it!

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

...it's true that the world is run by a cabal of money men who control everything from our economy to our elections?

What if George Bush was installed to grease the skids, so to speak, get us all used to Socialism lite, so that Obama could come in and push their agenda through?

What if our votes really don't count, and it's all a sham? I mean, I have no idea who everyone voted for - "they" could tell me anything and I have no way of refuting it. What if even the polls are manufactured? Worse than we already know they are, anyway. What if this cabal controls the media, both right and left, and feeds us the information to make us feel like we have some say-so?

What if it all truly is a lie and we're merely being manipulated for power and wealth? I mean, we know we are manipulated by our politicians, but what if they're just pawns in a much larger game?

What if there truly is nothing we can do about the state of our country and our world?

What if we are only a speck of dust on a dandelion head a la "Horton Hears A Who?" (Dr. Seuss just might have been a genius!)

I can't solve all of the world's problems (no, duh) -- I can only do the best I can with what I've got and try to teach my students to "think" and to be "information literate". The rest is up to them....

[czygvtwkr]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I disagree with this. The Democrats have successfully hammered it home that the Republicans are TOO conservative, and that's why they've been steadily losing ground.

Most people I know that couldn't stand Bush thought he was an ultra conservative, you know because they like war.

[Penn]

Originally Posted by twinoaks207

Our current emphasis on high-stakes testing guarantees that we spend too much time teaching "to the test" and NOT teaching "how to think, reason, and make informed decisions" -- this is where this kind of thing gets critical! (27+ years in education so I know what I am talking about first-hand here!)



And, if you register as an independent in Maryland, you don't get a say at all! We need to really re-vamp the entire selection process!



Popular vote SHOULD count! As far as the Media goes, if we could figure a way to get the economics out of it (ratings races), we'd have a Media that could be objective and honest without fear of failure. The Internet is looking promising in this area -- at least, until they try to "control" it!



What if we are only a speck of dust on a dandelion head a la "Horton Hears A Who?" (Dr. Seuss just might have been a genius!)

I can't solve all of the world's problems (no, duh) -- I can only do the best I can with what I've got and try to teach my students to "think" and to be "information literate". The rest is up to them....

I'm afraid to admit it, but heck, after all these years - hell - decades - we can't seem to get it right?

Quoted from Vraiblonde: "What if our votes really don't count, and it's all a sham? I mean, I have no idea who everyone voted for - "they" could tell me anything and I have no way of refuting it."

"What if even the polls are manufactured? Worse than we already know they are, anyway. What if this cabal controls the media, both right and left, and feeds us the information to make us feel like we have some say-so?"

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THAT is where American Politics, ie., choosing a new President for our country, has evolved!

Face it: "We, the People" don't have a clue, much less - a say in the process. It has all been decided for us, from whom the viable party frontrunners will emerge.

Back in 2005-06, did any of us know BH Obama, a junior senator from Illinois, would be the one who would lead the pack?

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Penn

I'm afraid to admit it, but heck, after all these years - hell - decades - we can't seem to get it right?

Back in 2005-06, did any of us know BH Obama, a junior senator from Illinois, would be the one who would lead the pack?

SURPRISE!!!

Kissinger Calls on Obama to Create a New World Order

(approx. 2:47 into the interview segment)

"According to Henry Kissinger, the various political and economic crises currently conflicting the world offer President-elect Barack Obama an opportunity to create a "new world order." That's what the former Secretary of State told CNBC's Mark Haines in a January 5 interview from the busy floor of the New York Stock Exchange.

"What do you think the most important thing is for Barack Obama?" Haines asked. "... If you had to say, this is going to be the country, or the conflict, or the place that will define the Obama administration, what would it be?" Kissinger replied: "The President-elect is coming into office at a moment when there are upheavals in many part of the world simultaneously. You have India-Pakistan. You have, ah, a jihadist movement."

"But," continued Kissinger, "he can give new impetus to American foreign policy ... I think that his task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period, when really a 'new world order' can be created. It's a great opportunity. It isn't such a crisis."

Kissinger Urges Obama to Build a "New World Order"

[Penn]

Ok, from what I read, from that, it tells me Henry Kissinger made that quote in Jan 07, 2009.

Again, what, or whom, did you know was in the running - back there in 2005 or 2006?

Had you even heard the name of BH Obama? Was he ever mentioned as a frontrunner?

My selection would have been Hillary Clinton; Liberal Party , of course.

Geeez, what ever happened to HER campaign??

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by Penn

Ok, from what I read, from that, it tells me Henry Kissinger made that quote in Jan 07, 2009.

Yes, but Kissinger is acknowledging a decades-long effort to move into a New World Order by whomever can make it happen. The question is who are the "powers" behind the scenes whose efforts have the capability to position leaders of our country?

Again, what, or whom, did you know was in the running - back there in 2005 or 2006?

As with any pre-election period, there are many speculations of who will be in the running. Timing of announcing one's candidacy plays a key role in political strategies. Some candidates are obvious and some just seem to come out of nowhere yet make an impact.

Had you even heard the name of BH Obama? Was he ever mentioned as a frontrunner?

The general public was not aware of BHO until he caught the attention of the media with some of his earlier senatorial speeches.

My selection would have been Hillary Clinton; Liberal Party , of course. Geeez, what ever happened to HER campaign??

Hillary blew the strategic opportunity as discussed. Many speculated she would run but she let critical time slip by with teasing and toying with media questions on whether she would run for president or not. Obama then stepped out in front of her by announcing his candidacy first which forced Hillary to throw her hat in the ring shortly afterward but it was too late - BHO stole her thunder, captured the media's attention, dazzled the public - and the rest is history.

The other scenario is that the "powers" behind the scenes may have determined that Hillary would be a voter liability to run for president and may have been grooming Obama all along. Politics is a big game.