Limbaugh; No third party?

[FredFlash]

Rush Limbaugh is a traitor who hates America and wants it to fail.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

So, had Bush cut spending, reigned in entitlements instead of expanding them, made us energy independent, not did TARP, not bailed out the UAW and Wall Street and not got bogged down in two wars the GOP would still had lost in '06 and last fall?

I know, I know; antiquated notions, those.

In fact, if Bush were a true conservative, he wouldn't have won a first term, let alone a second term. Compassionate conservative, remember?

The GOP keeps losing because so many conservatives have abandoned them, while the Democrats are picking up new voters with free goodies. If the GOP really goes conservative instead of just talking about it, they'll lose even more seats.

You only think people are responsible and want to do the right thing - they don't really.

[vraiblonde]

I mean, really Larry - why do you think Republican politicians have gotten away from conservativism in the first place?

(It's because they want to get elected.)

And if they keep going on about abortion and gay marriage, they'll go the way of the Whigs and Tories.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I mean, really Larry - why do you think Republican politicians have gotten away from conservativism in the first place?

(It's because they want to get elected.)

How's that working these last 2 years?

[Alexa]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Rush, to his credit, has done as much as anyone to stand up for liberty and freedom in our nation and to fight the forces of collectivism, socialism and, frankly, communism.

Also, he freely admits to his anger and frustration with the GOP. However, as was his position with Buchanan in '88 and Perot in '92, he is, at core, a party man no matter how much he protests he is a conservative first and foremost.

His point is that a third party is doom for the right and that, at the end of the day, the battle is to take back the GOP, not leave it.

I would argue that Limbaugh is stating, by definition, conservatism can not stand on it's own and has NO appeal to moderates and independents.

I would argue that there are so many people in this nation just flat out disgusted with both parties that there is MORE than enough support for a conservative party. A party that is pro individual liberty AND responsibility, for smaller, better government, for less taxes, less foreign interventionism (no neocons need apply) pro energy independence, pro simple tax, pro strong national defense, anti corporate bailouts, pro small business, anti socialist and against the DH rule.

So, what say you, people?

First off if any conservative is going to appeal to the moderates and independents, then Rush Limbaugh just has to go. He is to the rest of the world what Keith Olberman is to the conservatives....a complete nut job, as is Glenn Beck.

I think it is high time to go back to our roots and abolish the party system altogether. I will say it until I am blue in the face, heed the words George Washington. He was spot on. We have plenty of differing political parties, many of which have had candidates run for the President of the United States, but no one knew, excepting Ralph Nader's bid. He isn't even taken seriously anymore. Here is a sampling of the parties in play now:

List of political parties in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It looks to me that the problem isn't forming another party, the problem seems to be breaking up the dominance the Republican and Democratic parties have in the country and letting other voices be heard.

Why can't any person, who fits the criteria of the position, come forward, party or no, make their case to the people and have the people vote as to whether or not their vision is something the people agree with or not. If so, they are put in the running.

It shouldn't be all about a conservative or liberal agenda. It should be about what is best for the American people and on the whole. I believe that if every individual was canvassed the picture that would emerge about the vision of the majority of American's really have would be neither conservative or liberal agendas but something entirely different. I believe it would take the best of both sides of the party, throw away the radical BS of both of them, throw in some common sense and we would have something more middle of the road.

In the end, no one individual will be happy. There will always be that one idiot who wants it their way or have radical ideas that just won't work.

I say bring it on!

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Alexa

First off if any conservative is going to appeal to the moderates and independents, then Rush Limbaugh just has to go. He is to the rest of the world what Keith Olberman is to the conservatives....a complete nut job,

Yeah, that's what they say. Even though they never listen to him or Beck.

It's fine to argue that Limbaugh = Olbermann. That just doesn't make it so.

Fact is, Limbaugh very much represents a right wing view.

As does Keef.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

How's that working these last 2 years?

Surely you're not bringing common sense into this??

[vraiblonde]

I am a moderate and I like Limbaugh, yet loathe that ass Keith Olbermann.

You can argue that that must mean I'm not a true moderate. Then I will respond that you're obviously an extreme Left wing kook.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Surely you're not bringing common sense into this??

Here's the thing; right now, the left is in trouble and it would behoove the GOP to be lining up folks whop would contrast well with their opponents in order to win. We agree this far?

Good.

So, next, how far are they going to get with people who supported TARP? How far are they going to get with the lesser of two evils gig this time?

What difference does it make to get an at bat and not take your cuts?

[Alexa]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

In fact, if Bush were a true conservative, he wouldn't have won a first term, let alone a second term. Compassionate conservative, remember?

The GOP keeps losing because so many conservatives have abandoned them, while the Democrats are picking up new voters with free goodies. If the GOP really goes conservative instead of just talking about it, they'll lose even more seats.

You only think people are responsible and want to do the right thing - they don't really.

I have to disagree. While there are those that want a free hand out anyway they can have it, I do believe that you short change the vast majority of the American public.

The views of one party of another is down right extreme and no where near what the true platforms are of either. Yet, each has been able to make a mockery of the other, by their political tricks and by their actions once in office.

The Democrats are picking up seats because of the two parties, most people hope the Democratic party is more in line with what the majority wants and because the GOP failed.

Say what you want about Clinton, make all the arguments you want, they may be true.....but bottom line is that when he left office, no matter how it came to be true there was a surplus, not a deficit. It isn't socialism or free handouts they are looking for they are grasping at anything they can to bring some sense and balance.

Unfortunately, given the two party system, what they are grasping at isn't helping no matter what side of the fence they are grasping at the time.