Condi is WRONG...

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

He just said give me way more men or we WILL lose Yeah, and...? I don't see SO in his plan. Of course we really haven't seen a plan and I think Obama is right to demand one before committing.

One of the worst things the US has done the last 20 years is forget we're the customer for all this oil. I think we already agree we need to get off that oil and on our own. I do wonder how much this would solve everything else. I just don't understand why we accept destroying another countries land for oil while ignoring our own.

Does pressure mean military to you, in all things? No. I'm simply asking what your plan is for dealing with countries like SA. They don't respond well to talk.

Go ahead and pretend oil is not THE core issue So, you believe that if we go independent with oil (which I do want), leave those countries (Iraq, Afghanistan, Said Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Qatar, etc...) that the terrorists will just leave us alone?

Why would you even mention this after the embarassing, shameful way our military has been order to not interdict or destroy but to leave alone the illegal drug trade coming out of A'stan? Wait a minute! I didn't say I agreed with our policy regarding the drug trade in Afghanistan. I was only trying to point out that al Qaeda is benefitting far more from poppy than from oil.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

The guitar comes with a set. Why would you buy more?

You've never changed your strings? What color rust are they by now? I hate the smell old strings leave on my finger tips.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

You've never changed your strings? What color rust are they by now? I hate the smell old strings leave on my finger tips.

It was a joke.


I don't seem to leave skin like I did when I was starting out. My strings don't stink or get that 'gunch' anymore.

Another thing; I used to break strings after a month, maybe two, on the Paul. I started going OVER the tail piece, put the strings in from the bridge side, and I never break strings now until a wound just gives up the ghost. I was surprised how well that works. I always figured it was just for kewl factor.

As for the Saudi's, we have the leverage of a customer. We just don't use it.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

As for the Saudi's, we have the leverage of a customer. We just don't use it.

Will this really stop the terrorists?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Will this really stop the terrorists?

Who is going to be more successful stopping a Tim McVeigh, us or the Saudi's?

Who is going to be more successful stopping another Lockerbie? The Brits or the Libyan's?

Who is going to be more successful stopping the PLO, the Israeli's or the Palestinians?

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Who is going to be more successful stopping a Tim McVeigh, us or the Saudi's?

Who is going to be more successful stopping another Lockerbie? The Brits or the Libyan's?

Who is going to be more successful stopping the PLO, the Israeli's or the Palestinians?

Seems to me al Qaeda is operating on their own accord. Do you really believe the Saudis will stop al Qaeda if we cut the Saudis off? Do you really think they can? I mean consider Bin Laden is in exile from Saudi Arabia; the Saudis don't like him. So what leverage do they have in stopping al Qaeda at any level?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Seems to me al Qaeda is operating on their own accord. Do you really believe the Saudis will stop al Qaeda if we cut the Saudis off? Do you really think they can? I mean consider Bin Laden is in exile from Saudi Arabia; the Saudis don't like him. So what leverage do they have in stopping al Qaeda at any level?

OK, philosophy time. Do you honestly think Clinton never had any conversations with the Saudi's about Osama in particular, al queda in general and Wahhabism?

Do you suppose they ever talked about how much easier it would be to keep the peace in the kingdom, and the oil flowing smoothly, if folks like Osama were kicked out vs. arrested and perhaps put to death?

Do you ever wonder about the conversations the Bush dudes, 41 and 43, have had in terms of geopolitics, stability in Saudi, Islamic extremism, what to do about it, how to handle it and the potential impact(s) on the nice, even flow of that wonderful black earth goo? Price stability? Economic shocks?

You don't suppose Bush told our people to let the Afghans kill Osama so that the unrest back at home, Osama's home, would be blunted, do you?

I mean, I'm just wool gathering here. Maybe this is all just weird ideas I get about the conversations nations have about their particular problems.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

OK, philosophy time. Do you honestly think Clinton never had any conversations with the Saudi's about Osama in particular, al queda in general and Wahhabism?

Do you suppose they ever talked about how much easier it would be to keep the peace in the kingdom, and the oil flowing smoothly, if folks like Osama were kicked out vs. arrested and perhaps put to death?

Do you ever wonder about the conversations the Bush dudes, 41 and 43, have had in terms of geopolitics, stability in Saudi, Islamic extremism, what to do about it, how to handle it and the potential impact(s) on the nice, even flow of that wonderful black earth goo? Price stability? Economic shocks?

You don't suppose Bush told our people to let the Afghans kill Osama so that the unrest back at home, Osama's home, would be blunted, do you?

I mean, I'm just wool gathering here. Maybe this is all just weird ideas I get about the conversations nations have about their particular problems.

Let’s say these conversations did happen.

HW Bush: King Fahd, what do you want to do about Bin Laden?
King: Leave him alone he’s a crazed fanatic. As long as he’s out of here I don’t care. And as long as you help to keep him out of here I don’t care.
HW: Okay. How much for the oil?

Moving ahead

Clinton: Look King, the WTC was just bombed by al Qaeda, we need to do something about Bin Laden
King: It’s of no concern of mine, he’s out of the country
Clinton: Okay, how much for the oil

A couple years later

Clinton: King al Qaeda just bombed Khobar Towers murdering 19 of our men and women protecting your country. What should we do about Bin Laden?
King: What do I care, he’s not in my country.
Clinton: Okay. How much for the oil?

A few years later

Clinton: King our embassies were just bombed in Africa by al Qaeda and we really need to do something about Bin Laden
King: Okay, so do something.
Clinton: So, how much for that oil?

A couple years later

Clinton: al Qaeda has done it to us again. One of our Navy ships was bombed. We really need to know what to do?
King: I say go after him.
Clinton: Okay. How much for the oil?

A couple years later

W Bush: King, your man Bin Laden and his organization has hit Americans for the last time without a response. We are going after him and I recommend you not get in the way in any way. So how much you going to charge for oil?

I have no idea whether Clinton or HW had conversations with King Fahd or how those conversations might have looked. I do know they (especially Clinton) had absolutely no response to all the attacks America suffered during their reigns. I do know the oil kept flowing. I do know Saudi Arabia did nothing about Bin Laden. A lot could be inferred here. The thing I would get out of it is our government didn’t have the backbone to truly confront Saudi Arabia for not taking responsibility for these fanatics.

At this point in history I say “so what!” I want to know how you would deal with al Qaeda now with your plan to pull out of Afghanistan. Does any country in that region have the resolve to do one single thing about terrorism? At this point (and this is after listening to Netanyahu this week), I think the problem is going to get resolved in a much different way than we anticipated.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

I have no idea whether Clinton or HW had conversations with King Fahd or how those conversations might have looked. I do know they (especially Clinton) had absolutely no response to all the attacks America suffered during their reigns. I do know the oil kept flowing. I do know Saudi Arabia did nothing about Bin Laden. A lot could be inferred here. The thing I would get out of it is our government didn’t have the backbone to truly confront Saudi Arabia for not taking responsibility for these fanatics.

You, I, may not know how those conversations played out, exactly, however,
there is plenty of open souce commentary and read between the lines stuff to do a little better job of fleshing it out than that effort you just put into it.