"Right to health insurance"

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

What does that mean? I keep hearing these Lefties saying that all Americans have a right to affordable health insurance.

Now, we can debate whether Americans have a right to affordable health care, and that is valid. But insurance??

Do I have a right to car insurance as well? Life insurance? Homeowners or property insurance?

Have these people lost their minds? Or are their slavish followers really that ignorant?

Yes. and Yes.

Well, if they are going to give away health care insurance - giving away the other insurances can't be far away.

[tater]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Now, we can debate whether Americans have a right to affordable health care, and that is valid.

Isn't a "right" something that cannot be taken away? If that's the case... how can healthcare be a "right"? When the rationing starts, and it will start, peeps will be denied care. Well, how can that be... if it's a right?

[onebdzee]

We are in a society of "I don't have to earn anything, everything is suppose to be given to me, just because I'm alive"

I currently pay over $200 a month for health insurance because I have a pre-existing condition and a hereditary condition....I am so effing excited about all of this health care crap that I may just throw up on my doctor when I go back next month....

that is if I actually see him and not his nurse practitioner again....come to think of it, I don't think I've actually seen him in the last year or so...I wonder if he is still alive or if he passed and the nurses don't want to lose their job and/or health insurance so they are pretending he is still alive

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

What does that mean? I keep hearing these Lefties saying that all Americans have a right to affordable health insurance.

Now, we can debate whether Americans have a right to affordable health care, and that is valid. But insurance??

Do I have a right to car insurance as well? Life insurance? Homeowners or property insurance?

Have these people lost their minds? Or are their slavish followers really that ignorant?

We have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Social security is a constitutional as well as moral wrong. Medicare is a constitutional as well as moral wrong. This health argument is about the same thing; adding yet another constitutional and moral wrong.

There is no 'right' to any of these things. They have corrupted the very foundation of this nation when we codify, by law, the ability for the government to force you to take care of me or the reverse. Our entitlement culture perverts the bedrock values of a nation founded on freedom and liberty and takes the absolute principles of the individual right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and make them conditional.

If we can make the individual pay for another's retirement, health care and, now, health insurance, what can we NOT make the individual pay for? This is the very basic reason for our constitution, to place limits on the governments power and to provide basic, bedrock, fundamental rights and protections for the citizen.

The question you ask is basic and fundamental. We've long since decided the constitution is null and void and all we do with our politics is fight over what violations can be stopped or gotten away with this week.

[SamSpade]

It's why I changed my sig line. Everyone can crow about everyone having the "right" to something. The "right" to education. The "right" to having a home. The "right" to a job.

And it's nuts. Those are all good things. I could just as well say, I have a right to a nice morning cup of coffee, but it doesn't follow that the government should be responsible for getting it for me.

That's the reaction of people that are NOT free. If you're not free, you have your rights taken, and you want the government to graciously give it back to you. As my sig line says, those are the rations of slavery. It's not freedom, it's dependency.

You have all those things. What you DON'T have, is them given freely without effort or cost. You have the right to a home, a job, an education. You were born with those. Unless someone somewhere is actively suppressing that right, you can get a job, buy a home, get an education. And get health care for yourself. What you don't have a right to, is to pick someone else's pocket to get what free people work to provide for themselves.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by onebdzee

We are in a society of "I don't have to earn anything, everything is suppose to be given to me, just because I'm alive"

I currently pay over $200 a month for health insurance because I have a pre-existing condition and a hereditary condition....I am so effing excited about all of this health care crap that I may just throw up on my doctor when I go back next month....

that is if I actually see him and not his nurse practitioner again....come to think of it, I don't think I've actually seen him in the last year or so...I wonder if he is still alive or if he passed and the nurses don't want to lose their job and/or health insurance so they are pretending he is still alive

$200 a month is not too bad.

[Pushrod]

Originally Posted by SamSpade

It's why I changed my sig line. Everyone can crow about everyone having the "right" to something. The "right" to education. The "right" to having a home. The "right" to a job.

And it's nuts. Those are all good things. I could just as well say, I have a right to a nice morning cup of coffee, but it doesn't follow that the government should be responsible for getting it for me.

That's the reaction of people that are NOT free. If you're not free, you have your rights taken, and you want the government to graciously give it back to you. As my sig line says, those are the rations of slavery. It's not freedom, it's dependency.

You have all those things. What you DON'T have, is them given freely without effort or cost. You have the right to a home, a job, an education. You were born with those. Unless someone somewhere is actively suppressing that right, you can get a job, buy a home, get an education. And get health care for yourself. What you don't have a right to, is to pick someone else's pocket to get what free people work to provide for themselves.

Well said! Hurah! hurah!

[Chasey_Lane]

Originally Posted by lovinmaryland

MAIF... however that is not affordable in the least.

I think MAIF has changed their stereotype from years ago. My younger sister had to go on MAIF for a year because of her driving record. Her rate was CHEAPER (by a good amount) than what she had been paying with Nationwide.

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by onebdzee

We are in a society of "I don't have to earn anything, everything is suppose to be given to me, just because I'm alive"

I currently pay over $200 a month for health insurance because I have a pre-existing condition and a hereditary condition....I am so effing excited about all of this health care crap that I may just throw up on my doctor when I go back next month....

that is if I actually see him and not his nurse practitioner again....come to think of it, I don't think I've actually seen him in the last year or so...I wonder if he is still alive or if he passed and the nurses don't want to lose their job and/or health insurance so they are pretending he is still alive

If you pay $200 a month for insurance you are paying much less than most of us. Mine is over $900, and another $90 for Medicare. My wife isnt 65 yet so I have to keep the old plan for her.

I got a kick out of your description of your Doctor and his Nurse Practitioner.
In fact some say the Nurse Practitioner is smarter than their Doctor.
I too went to see a Neurologist in Charlotte Hall who made great use of a Nurse Practitioner. It was several months before I actually got to see him and it was a bit like a royal appointment after requesting to actually see the Doctor.

My GP also uses a Nurse Practitioner , but he does it much better,if you go back for prescription refills or regular visits she handles it, He handles new complaints or problems.

[EmptyTimCup]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

What does that mean? I keep hearing these Lefties saying that all Americans have a right to affordable health insurance.

The Entitlement Game


if the Socialists can convince the unwashed masses they have a RIGHT to HC then sooner of later they will start clamoring for it ......


I say everyone want a free ride, move to Cali and leave the rest of us alone .... and when can see which states prosper and which ones become 3rd world countries