Obama; World President...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Yeah, because I'm such a huge Bush fan. Rah. Rah.


You act like history began the day Bush was inaugurated, and I know you know better than that.

That wasn't the point nor the question, was it?

If we are talking about how good or bad a potus Bush was versus Lincoln or Carter or LBJ or whomever you choose, just pick the criteria, what you think is important and there is the debate.

I get flack from you and others for being this Bush Deranged Syndrome person yet, I criticize him specifically and solely on the issue, his policies and the results. I do not call him Hitler. I don't doubt his motives as being malignant. I argue he was a bad potus on the policies and the results and and no one seems to wanna defend him unless it's that the media is responsible or the weather or that I simply have BDS.

On the economy, debt, the wars, oil, TARP, etc, etc, I say he was a bad, terrible, president compared to others because of the decisions he made and the way he went about his business.

If you just dismiss me as BDS yet don't wanna discuss debt or TARP or whatever compared to another president, then that's no different than anyone else who does their drive bys, makes statements, and runs off.

This matters if we want better leadership. It matters for us all to discuss the issues and come to good conclusions. Or we'll just end up with the next R or D, 'our guy' winning, with no better leadership.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

You agreeing with that assessment or just saying some people think that?

What's your criteria for "Worst" president ever?

I agree that all presidents are terrible in some fashion, some worse than others. And we can make the case for Lincoln being one of the top 5 worst.

Pick your criteria:

Body count (that would be Lincoln)
Sucky war policy (One could make the case for Kennedy, but the gold probably belongs to LBJ)
Economy (Hoover, FDR?)
Socialism (So far that would BHO, with FDR and LBJ running a close second)
Scandal (Name them...)
Corruption (Grant? Harding? Clinton? Nixon?)
Shameless abuse of power (Lincoln is coming to mind there, too)
Subjugation of citizen rights (How 'bout FDR's internment camps? Lincoln suspending habeas corpus?)
Energy prices (Let's call that one for Carter)
Etc etc etc

You will note that Bush isn't #1 in any category. But feel free to make your case.

[vraiblonde]

As far as "ignoring terrorists and foreign threats, which jeopardize the safety of all Americans" you probably can't put Bush in the top of that category, either.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I agree that all presidents are terrible in some fashion, some worse than others. And we can make the case for Lincoln being one of the top 5 worst.

Pick your criteria:

Body count (that would be Lincoln)
Sucky war policy (One could make the case for Kennedy, but the gold probably belongs to LBJ)
Economy (Hoover, FDR?)
Socialism (So far that would BHO, with FDR and LBJ running a close second)
Scandal (Name them...)
Corruption (Grant? Harding? Clinton? Nixon?)
Shameless abuse of power (Lincoln is coming to mind there, too)
Subjugation of citizen rights (How 'bout FDR's internment camps? Lincoln suspending habeas corpus?)
Energy prices (Let's call that one for Carter)
Etc etc etc

You will note that Bush isn't #1 in any category. But feel free to make your case.

You pick a criteria. I've done nothing but point out my objections to Bush, debt, oil, TARP, the handling the wars, entitlements, expansion of government and I get called 'deranged'.

You've listed people you think were the worst on a given issue. What about the good? What good did Bush bring us to go along with the bad? When I say 'worst' I mean the collective presidency, not worst corruption yet best social policy or worst spending but best income to the treasury. I'm talking in total.

Why Carter on energy prices?

[vraiblonde]

Larry, Bush is not the worst president we've ever had in this country.

The end.

If you still insist that he is, you are merely a BDS person and not to be taken seriously with regard to this issue.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

As far as "ignoring terrorists and foreign threats, which jeopardize the safety of all Americans" you probably can't put Bush in the top of that category, either.

I agree. He wasn't the worst. He just did the exact same thing his predecessor did; nothing. If Clinton should have acted and was negligent to not act, and he should have and he was, what changed when Bush took office? What changed the following 8 months? Did all the attacks Clinton ignored become undone until 9/11?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

I disagree.

#1 Wilson
#2 Bush 43
#3 Obama

Now, it took the other fella's a while to mess everything and Obama is making GREAT strides and, if we look at the WPOAT, Worst President of all Time, tracking chart, his curve is WAY on the glide path to #1! He's on a record pace!

USA! USA! USA!

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Larry, Bush is not the worst president we've ever had in this country.
The end.

If you still insist that he is, you are merely a BDS person and not to be taken seriously with regard to this issue.

I agree.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

I agree. He wasn't the worst. He just did the exact same thing his predecessor did; nothing. If Clinton should have acted and was negligent to not act, and he should have and he was, what changed when Bush took office? What changed the following 8 months? Did all the attacks Clinton ignored become undone until 9/11?

Now I know you have lost your mind. Seek help.

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[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Now I know you have lost your mind. Seek help.

Larry had great hopes for the Bush Presidency and those hopes did not come to fruition. Now instead of getting over it he blames everything on Bush. He is personally hurt that Bush wasnt the hero he thought he would be so he blames bush for everything since the Titanic sank. He needs to get over it .

This cat we have now is actually making Bush look good. Not to Larry, mind you ,he has a personal grudge against Bush, but to the rest of us Bush was a piker compared to this clown now in office.

George Bush loved America, he didnt travel the world telling everyone how bad we were for saving them from the Huns for sending billions of dollars to battle AIDS, for sending American Foreign Aid to anyone who had an upset stomach. George Bush was convinced by the Clintons and the CIA that Iraq had WMD, so he went to war with Iraq. Obama is being hit every day by word that IRAN has WMD or will have them soon. Will the citizens turn on him if they dont? The situation is much like it was when we invaded IRaq, and sanctions arent working, In a way seeing how Americans turned on Bush can we blame Obama for being frightened to send more troops for HIS war?

Bush had TARP passed on his watch. Perhaps he should have waited, and let Obama take that rap. There wasnt a successful attack in this country while Bush was in office, Doesnt he deserve a little praise? he tried to save SS and was fought tooth and nail by the Dems. he tried negotiations to solve the Middle -east problems, He warned of the Freddie Mac scandal,. But Dems were too anxiious to pacify blacks and others, who wanted loans they couldnt afford

At no time during the Bush administration was I afraid I might get rationed health care or might get voted down by a death panel. At no time did I have to worry about a friggin stupid-assed carbon tax. Bush allowed oil to get too expensive, a major defeat for him, but what is Obama doing about our sending billions to pay for oil? Reccomending windmills. Bush didnt take over the automobile manufacturing. Bushs didnt take over banks. Bush didnt have a White House Web site to report on Americans. Bush didnt appoint David Duke to be a Czar and he didnt appoint a pedophile to be in charge of safety in schools, He didnt put a nutbag tax cheat in charge of treasury.

OK so Bush wasnt great, He certainly wasnt as bad as Larry makes him out to be ,and he isnt in the news every day trying to tell the new President how to run the world like Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.

Saying get over it Larry isnt doing any good he is just too personally dissappointed to be talked to. He has a grudge against Bush and it's eating at him. He needs to channel all that hate to the current POS yesterday cannot be changed, tomorrow can.