McChrystal getting the axe?

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by nuttshack

As I stated in another thread, a Bad decision is better than NO DECISION.

I don't think that is always true. In fact, doing nothing is often far better than a bad decision.

[cwo_ghwebb]

At this point, no decision is a BAD decision (in this case).

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by cwo_ghwebb

At this point, no decision is a BAD decision (in this case).

Absent a mission that serves the national interests of the United States, adding more troops adds to our losses, making it a worse decision.

There is no national interest for us there, in my view. None. Certainly nothing worth the life of one more US trooper or another US dollar.

[nuttshack]

My point was as usual from this administration, nothing is being done!

As for no mission, the mission is to stop Al Queda and the Taliban which allow terrorist to train in Afghanistan.

This is why Democrats lose my respect, the second the situation turns out to be bad press for them they tuck their heads in the sand.

Let's remember two heroes named Gary Gordon and Randy Shugart. They gave their lives for one man. And what did Clinton do when ther bodies were drug through the streets of Somalia. He pulled us out, when he should have laid the smack down.

Our Troops die and we run; when democrats are in office.

Sorry, but National interest in this case is the safety of our country.

Indecisiveness is never a good thing, just my two cents which isn't worth much.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by nuttshack

My point was as usual from this administration, nothing is being done!

As for no mission, the mission is to stop Al Queda and the Taliban which allow terrorist to train in Afghanistan.

This is why Democrats lose my respect, the second the situation turns out to be bad press for them they tuck their heads in the sand.

Let's remember two heroes named Gary Gordon and Randy Shugart. They gave their lives for one man. And what did Clinton do when ther bodies were drug through the streets of Somalia. He pulled us out, when he should have laid the smack down.

Our Troops die and we run; when democrats are in office.

Sorry, but National interest in this case is the safety of our country.

Indecisiveness is never a good thing, just my two cents which isn't worth much.

Where the heck are we going with this? Shuggart and Gordon were failed by their leadership. They were true warriors for being willing to take on any challenge. It was a 100% mistake letting them go in.

On top of that, we had no business in Somalia.

You do know that the pertinent training for 9/11 happened in the US and the planning in Germany?

We went to A'stan to get OBL for ordering the strike and Bush failed because he made it a political mission. OBL could have ordered it from a phone booth in Paris. Afghanistan is irrelevant other than that is where he was. If it was justified to invade Afghanistan, and it was not, then it is justified to invade Pakistan. And it is not.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Gen. McChrystal knows what he's doing. He's been speaking out in public because he is not getting what he wants in private. This, going public, is nothing new and this is not a subject unheard of or left without study in West Point.

Obama HAS to give him more men, and soon, or fire him or face his resignation. The guy thinks the situation is bad enough to press it and that's that.

How long does McChrystal let Obama drag this out?

It seems General McChrystal takes the mantra "Soldiers First" literally.

He's SUPPOSED to take the soldiers well being first and foremost. above his own well being, his career and his pension (which will NEVER be in jeopardy).

Good for him. There are still respectful men out there, and I hate to think what goes through his heart and mind EVERYday when his soldiers get hurt and killed while awaiting the support HE deserves from his President.

[itsbob (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Where the heck are we going with this? Shuggart and Gordon were failed by their leadership. They were true warriors for being willing to take on any challenge. It was a 100% mistake letting them go in.

On top of that, we had no business in Somalia.

You do know that the pertinent training for 9/11 happened in the US and the planning in Germany?

We went to A'stan to get OBL for ordering the strike and Bush failed because he made it a political mission. OBL could have ordered it from a phone booth in Paris. Afghanistan is irrelevant other than that is where he was. If it was justified to invade Afghanistan, and it was not, then it is justified to invade Pakistan. And it is not.

None of that matters.

What matters is we ARE there, our Young men and Women are depending on their leadership to take care of them and get them home safely. Whether that means abandoning the mission, letting the Taliban regain control, and the re-strengthening of Al Quaeda, or strengthening our military presence and securing the region SOMEthing has to be done.

If it's serious enough, and important enough for us to sacrifice ONE American life, than it's important enough for us to take it serious and release the full American Military might there and be done with it.

[nuttshack]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Where the heck are we going with this? Shuggart and Gordon were failed by their leadership (Clinton).

On top of that, we had no business in Somalia.

You made my point for me on this one.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by itsbob

It seems General McChrystal takes the mantra "Soldiers First" literally.

He's SUPPOSED to take the soldiers well being first and foremost. above his own well being, his career and his pension (which will NEVER be in jeopardy).

Good for him. There are still respectful men out there, and I hate to think what goes through his heart and mind EVERYday when his soldiers get hurt and killed while awaiting the support HE deserves from his President.

I have no way of knowing if he cares about the troops first or trying to avoid being the guy he loses over there. As far I am concerned, it's one in the same; winning means our people stop getting hurt because the enemy quits.

Point is, he has been given a mission and he is screaming out loud "I can't do what you've ordered me to do without many more troops!"

[ImnoMensa]

A few days ago. Obama made it clear that Afghanistan is a NATO mission.

Of course we have the most soldiers there, many more than any other country.

British soldiers are dying and Danish troops have been killed.French troops have been killed. In all Some 377 foreign soldiers, including 220 Americans, have died so far, with 294 killed in all of 2008, according to an AFP tally . That could be up now as it was from an older report.

Why hasnt NATO called for more troops? How long will it take for the other members of NATO to see that Obama isnt doing squat and their troops are dying, How long before they decide to pull out? How can the US pull out and leave NATO under the Obama bus?

Obama is between a rock and a hard place an he hasnt got the intestinal fortitude to get himself out. The wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time.