I am seriously scared

[exnodak]

Scared? Yes.

Surprised..No.

The State has been creeping into and increasing control of our lives and decreasing personal freedoms for years.

Compared to 40 years ago, we are now fully engaged in a plutocracy which fulfills a Karl Marx prophecy that all democracies eventually become plutocratic and tyrannical.

Unless the proletariat reverses the progression towards plutocracy. Karl will be proven correct. The only way the proletariat can do that is either

1) Recognize the problem and act to remove the government and reverse the plutocratic policies at the ballot box

OR

2) Revolt (Karl's idea)

OR

3) Aquiesce to eventually evolve back to a feudal system where a priveleged level of Lords takes care of the serfs giving them limited government subsidy allowance and health care in exchange for their loyalty and labor to support their lifestyle.


The problem starts at home.

For example, I was walking my dog last weekend. I usually walk her in an undeveloped area owned by the county. I've always considered it public property with public access, and I rarely leave the established trail. Some, but not all the property is posted.

The dog took off after a rabbit into the woods (not posted area). I followed her. When I returned to road with the dog a Deputy Sheriff was there waiting for me. I was told with no uncertainty that I was trespassing and would be arrested if I ever came back. He was adamant that the Commissioners held a zero tolerance policy on the matter.

I'm not going to stop walking my dog there. When I give up my right to walk on public property, I give up all my rights.

[EmptyTimCup]

Originally Posted by exnodak

The State has been creeping into and increasing control of our lives and decreasing personal freedoms for years.

FA Hayek: The Road to Serfdom

The Road to Serfdom

The Road to Serfdom is a book written by Friedrich von Hayek (recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences in 1974) which transformed the landscape of political thought in the 20th century, shifting the terms of debate for millions of people across the political spectrum.[1][2] The Road to Serfdom is among the most influential and popular expositions of classical liberalism and libertarianism.

The book was originally published by Routledge Press in March 1944 in the UK and then by the University of Chicago Press in September 1944. A condensed version of the book written by Max Eastman was then published as the lead article in the April issue of Reader's Digest, with a press run of several million copies. This condensed version was then offered as a Book of the Month selection with a press run of over 600,000 copies. In February 1945 a picture-book version was published in Look Magazine, later made into a pamphlet and distributed by General Motors. The book has been translated into approximately 20 languages and is dedicated to "The socialists of all parties". The introduction to the 50th anniversary edition is written by Milton Friedman (another recipient of the Nobel Prize in Economics 1976). In 2007, the University of Chicago Press put out a "Definitive Edition". In total the book has sold over two million copies. [3]

Main thesis and arguments

For Hayek “the road to serfdom” inadvertently set upon by central planning, with its dismantling of the free market system, ends in the destruction of all individual economic and personal freedom. Hayek’s central thesis is that all forms of collectivism tend towards tyranny, and he used the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany as examples of countries which had gone down “the road to serfdom” and reached tyranny. Hayek first argued that democratic legislatures move too slowly to manage a modern industrial economy. Management of socialism would therefore lead to bureaucrats gaining discretionary powers. Disagreement about the practical implementation of any economic plan would invariably necessitate coercion in order for anything to be achieved. Hayek further argued that the failure of central planning would be perceived by the public as an absence of sufficient power by the state to implement an otherwise good idea. Such a perception would lead the public to vote more power to the state, and would assist the rise to power of a “strong man” perceived to be capable of “getting the job done”. After these developments Hayek argued that the worst get on top of socialist bureaucracies. Those who are good at acquiring and exercising discretionary powers in government are usually the most ruthless and corrupt individuals. {Sounds like where we are with barry soweto today }

Hayek argued that countries such as the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany had already gone down the "road to serfdom", and that various democratic nations are being led down the same road. In The Road to Serfdom he wrote: "The principle that the end justifies the means is in individualist ethics regarded as the denial of all morals. In collectivist ethics it becomes necessarily the supreme rule."

Contemporary Commentary

John Maynard Keynes read The Road to Serfdom and said of it: "In my opinion it is a grand book...Morally and philosophically I find myself in agreement with virtually the whole of it: and not only in agreement with it, but in deeply moved agreement".[4] Having said that, Keynes did not think Hayek's philosophy was of practical use; this was explained later in the same letter, through the following comment and prophecy: "What we need therefore, in my opinion, is not a change in our economic programmes, which would only lead in practice to disillusion with the results of your philosophy; but perhaps even the contrary, namely, an enlargement of them. Your greatest danger is the probable practical failure of the application of your philosophy in the United States." [5]

Sir Winston Churchill was, according to Harold Macmillan, "fortified in his apprehensions [of a Labour government] by reading Professor Hayek's The Road to Serfdom"[6] when he warned in an election broadcast in 1945 that a socialist system would "have to fall back on some form of Gestapo". The Labour leader Clement Attlee responded in his election broadcast by claiming that what Churchill had said was the "second-hand version of the academic views of an Austrian professor, Friedrich August von Hayek".[7] The Conservative Central Office sacrificed 1.5 tons of their precious paper ration allocated for the 1945 election so that more copies of The Road to Serfdom could be printed.[8]

George Orwell responded to the book with both praise and criticism, stating, "in the negative part of Professor Hayek's thesis there is a great deal of truth. It cannot be said too often — at any rate, it is not being said nearly often enough — that collectivism is not inherently democratic, but, on the contrary, gives to a tyrannical minority such powers as the Spanish Inquisitors never dreamt of". Yet he also warned, "[A] return to 'free' competition means for the great mass of people a tyranny probably worse, because more irresponsible, than that of the state."

The Road to Serfdom was placed fourth on the list of the 100 best non-fiction books of the twentieth century compiled by National Review magazine. It also made #16 in reader selections of the hundred best non-fiction book of the twentieth century administered by Modern Library.[9]

The Road to Serfdom appears on Martin Seymour-Smith's list of the 100 Most Influential Books Ever Written, whilst it made #1 on Human Events: Top Ten Books Every Republican Congressman Should Read in 2006.

The book continues to sell in the 10s of thousands of copies each year.

[Severa]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

This is what you get for not reading the forums very often. If you did, you'd have been seriously scared a long time ago.

Forums? Hell I'm still trying to figure out whether to laugh or be scared at the white Saturn I saw the other day on 235 that had an 'Obama 2012' bumper sticker.

[EmptyTimCup]

Originally Posted by Severa

Forums? Hell I'm still trying to figure out whether to laugh or be scared at the white Saturn I saw the other day on 235 that had an 'Obama 2012' bumper sticker.

Wishful Thinking .....


although at this point I am not sure where the Republican Party is going to get a Conservative to run, or of they will find another me too RINO

[Papi4baby]

Here's some more...

How long do you think is going to take this country to *nf*ck all the damage the left are doing..... yeah, we are going to F for a while.

[EmptyTimCup]

Hayek argued that all forms of collectivism (even those theoretically based on voluntary cooperation) could only be maintained by a central authority of some kind. In his popular book, The Road to Serfdom (1944) and in subsequent works, Hayek argued that socialism required central economic planning and that such planning in turn leads towards totalitarianism. Hayek posited that a central planning authority would have to be endowed with powers that would impact and ultimately control social life, because the knowledge required for central planning an economy is inherently decentralized, and would need to be brought under control.

Building on the earlier work of Mises and others, Hayek also argued that while, in centrally planned economies, an individual or a select group of individuals must determine the distribution of resources, these planners will never have enough information to carry out this allocation reliably. The efficient exchange and use of resources, Hayek claimed, can be maintained only through the price mechanism in free markets (see economic calculation problem). In The Use of Knowledge in Society (1945), Hayek argued that the price mechanism serves to share and synchronize local and personal knowledge, allowing society's members to achieve diverse, complicated ends through a principle of spontaneous self-organization. He used the term catallaxy to describe a "self-organizing system of voluntary co-operation."

In Hayek's view, the central role of the state should be to maintain the rule of law, with as little arbitrary intervention as possible.

[VoteJP]

Originally Posted by exnodak

Scared? Yes.

Surprised..No.

The State has been creeping into and increasing control of our lives and decreasing personal freedoms for years.

Compared to 40 years ago, we are now fully engaged in a plutocracy which fulfills a Karl Marx prophecy that all democracies eventually become plutocratic and tyrannical.

Unless the proletariat reverses the progression towards plutocracy. Karl will be proven correct. The only way the proletariat can do that is either

1) Recognize the problem and act to remove the government and reverse the plutocratic policies at the ballot box

OR

2) Revolt (Karl's idea)

OR

3) Aquiesce to eventually evolve back to a feudal system where a priveleged level of Lords takes care of the serfs giving them limited government subsidy allowance and health care in exchange for their loyalty and labor to support their lifestyle.


The problem starts at home.

Wow, here is some one that knows what they are talking about.


In that book called "Capital" as in Capitalist, Karl Marx describes the USA so well that it makes him into a mystic or a psychic or a prophet and the book is free at any Library.

[chernmax (Premo)]

So maybe during the campaign Obama was reading this book for a reason???

[Toxick]

Originally Posted by VoteJP

In that book called "Capital" as in Capitalist, Karl Marx describes the USA so well that it makes him into a mystic or a psychic or a prophet and the book is free at any Library.

Make it stop.

[EmptyTimCup]

Originally Posted by Toxick

Make it stop.

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