Young people

[migtig]

Originally Posted by SamSpade

I thought this was relevant....

Health Care Speechwriter for Edwards, Obama & Clinton Without Insurance Now -- Politics Daily#

As if I wasn't depressed before. I guess we should all make a run to the doctors before the new lawas come into effect.

[chernmax (Premo)]

The Plan:

- Crash they system
- Bash the System
- Hold down the people
- Tax the people
- Make them dependent on the government

Then

- Own the system
- Control the System

[Animal]

Originally Posted by Pete

had an instrumental part in getting Obama elected. Will they be happy when they are now forced to purchase health insurance at a hefty cost or be fined? Will there be a backlash? A 22 year old should have a lower premium because they are young and low risk, but now that they are being forced to buy Health Insurance to leverage the high costs of older people.

Face it young people, you are now going to HAVE to buy it and it is going to cost MORE just so the older generation can get boner pills and blood pressure treatment. Going to have to put off buying that car or that trip to Spring Break.

Pelosi has considered that and is adding provisions to cover young Americans via their parents plans until the kids are 27. That should give them a couple more election cycles.

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[Pete (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Animal

Pelosi has considered that and is adding provisions to cover young Americans via their parents plans until the kids are 27. That should give them a couple more election cycles.

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Aint that sweet, we now get to care for our kids until they are nearly 30 FRIGGIN YEARS OLD!

This is too rich

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by migtig

As if I wasn't depressed before. I guess we should all make a run to the doctors before the new lawas come into effect.

What surprised me about this article is, the writer was and probably still is a die-hard Obama supporter, but that she is clearly facing what the future holds if we all go to Obamacare.

Because what she does advocate is Medicare For All, a fact she brings up repeatedly.

I'm just amazed that to move from DC to Massachusetts, without any other change in her lifestyle or health, her health insurance costs have more than doubled - because NOW, the state of Massachusetts is in charge. Everything else is the same, but for some reason, it costs 150% more when the government runs it.

You know, if it weren't for the catastrophic costs of an occasional expensive procedure or expensive tests, I think we could all easily afford the cost of health care. Think of it - auto insurance is more or less affordable, because no matter how bad it is, most of the time the costs are limited by the value of the car (barring personal injury). You don't pay out tens of thousands of dollars for a car worth eight thousand bucks.

The reason we DO pay the costs we do, is that some things do cost one hell of a lot, and insurance companies distribute that cost. Most of us pay about 10-12,000 a year in health insurance (along with our employers) but it's rare we ever actually would ever pay that much if we did it out of pocket. We're paying for the satisfaction of knowing the money WILL be there if we need it, but otherwise, we're paying for everyone else's health.

Except for the rich. They don't buy insurance at all. They can easily afford to just pay out of pocket, which is another reason why some of these schemes won't work. There's no intelligent reason for them to EVER buy health insurance.

So - what would medical costs be like if all very expensive procedures and tests were fully covered by Uncle Sam - and we paid for the rest?

[ewashkow]

Originally Posted by libertytyranny

Im gonna have to agree with this..being a young person myself..many people I know had no clue about Obama and what he does..and still dont..they saw that he was supposed to be the cool guy..young..and hes black so hes got street cred...Mtv personalities and pdiddy promoting him...telling them that hes gonna change the world and stuff...I was amazed and disgusted that no one paid any attention to anything else but the hype..and these are college educated people..you would think they would do a little research! I think when they grow up a little..and actually get jobs that qualify them to pay taxes..their minds will change. Though many are still blind and have no idea whats going on...Im thinking that will change when at tax time..they dont get all of their money back for the first time...I know thats what got me...


and for the record I am in my early 20s and I support myself just fine..and have for awhile...even while I was in college. In fact I really pride myself on doing so..and always have. I dont want anyone to take care of me..and I know Im not the only young person out there who feels like that..though it seems that way sometimes.

I'm right there with you! I'm 25 and when I was listening to the debates, speeches, and all the other campaign stuff, I knew that Obama knew how to talk. Whether people would actually hear what was being said vs. what they heard was what was the biggest issue on my mind.

Like you mentioned, when the govt doesn't give the refund they are expecting, maybe the ignorant and naive that voted for him will begin to realize that Obama isn't anywhere near what he painted himself out to be.

Obama is a good example of the Democratic symbol with a hell of a speech writer.

[Baja28]

Originally Posted by libertytyranny

Im gonna have to agree with this..being a young person myself..many people I know had no clue about Obama and what he does..and still dont..they saw that he was supposed to be the cool guy..young..and hes black so hes got street cred...Mtv personalities and pdiddy promoting him...telling them that hes gonna change the world and stuff...I was amazed and disgusted that no one paid any attention to anything else but the hype..and these are college educated people..you would think they would do a little research! I think when they grow up a little..and actually get jobs that qualify them to pay taxes..their minds will change. Though many are still blind and have no idea whats going on...Im thinking that will change when at tax time..they dont get all of their money back for the first time...I know thats what got me...


and for the record I am in my early 20s and I support myself just fine..and have for awhile...even while I was in college. In fact I really pride myself on doing so..and always have. I dont want anyone to take care of me..and I know Im not the only young person out there who feels like that..though it seems that way sometimes.

I love this chick!

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by SamSpade

What surprised me about this article is, the writer was and probably still is a die-hard Obama supporter, but that she is clearly facing what the future holds if we all go to Obamacare.

Because what she does advocate is Medicare For All, a fact she brings up repeatedly.

I'm just amazed that to move from DC to Massachusetts, without any other change in her lifestyle or health, her health insurance costs have more than doubled - because NOW, the state of Massachusetts is in charge. Everything else is the same, but for some reason, it costs 150% more when the government runs it.

You know, if it weren't for the catastrophic costs of an occasional expensive procedure or expensive tests, I think we could all easily afford the cost of health care. Think of it - auto insurance is more or less affordable, because no matter how bad it is, most of the time the costs are limited by the value of the car (barring personal injury). You don't pay out tens of thousands of dollars for a car worth eight thousand bucks.

The reason we DO pay the costs we do, is that some things do cost one hell of a lot, and insurance companies distribute that cost. Most of us pay about 10-12,000 a year in health insurance (along with our employers) but it's rare we ever actually would ever pay that much if we did it out of pocket. We're paying for the satisfaction of knowing the money WILL be there if we need it, but otherwise, we're paying for everyone else's health.

Except for the rich. They don't buy insurance at all. They can easily afford to just pay out of pocket, which is another reason why some of these schemes won't work. There's no intelligent reason for them to EVER buy health insurance.

So - what would medical costs be like if all very expensive procedures and tests were fully covered by Uncle Sam - and we paid for the rest?

I look at it this way. Social Security started as a program for wage earners to put away so much money each payday, so when they retire that money will be there for them to draw on. No interest, no dividend paid out, just gross cash set aside. Then suddenly the fed saw all this cash sitting there and thought “We can use this for people who lost their spouses that have kids. We can pay out so much for each kid they have. That will guarantee us votes.” Then they said “There’s still an awful lot of money sitting in that SS coffer. Why don’t we divvy some out to folks that get injured and can’t get a job”. Next thing you know it’s broke.

Bottom line for me is… Sure, let the government cover catastrophic care and we pay the rest. So they tax us accordingly. Over time people get more healthy requiring less cat care but more money coming in. So they find other ways to blow that money. Next thing you know it’s broke and they are looking to find ways to jack up our taxes to fix that.

It never ends. They will find something else that we need, dream up some scheme to fix it, tax us then blow the money on something other than what it was intended for. It never ends. Give more to the fed to manage and less for us to have a say-so in.

I don’t trust them. They’ve screwed up every federal social program alive today. They’re either looking for ways to jack up our taxes to cover the losses or cut benefits. In the mean time deficits continue to climb the dollar dwindles and nothing ever gets solved. The only thing any of these programs have solved is propagating the delusion that we need them to fix it and place more power in their hands over us.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by libertytyranny

and for the record I am in my early 20s

You post older - and that is a compliment.

[libertytyranny]

Aww you guys are being nice