Dede Endorses Owens

[exnodak]

Suzzy throwing her support to the Dem is no surprise. She was smoked out and went home. What's wrong with that?

Many of us have discussed the possibility of a third party rising. That is not what is going to happen.

If anyone can find a copy of "Insurgents" by Loyd Omdahl, it will explain the process that is happening right now.

We have a large "decline to affiliate" faction growing in the center of the political spectrum. Originally the growth came from disenchanted Repubs. Now the numbers are swelling from disgusted Dems. This group will never coalesce into a viable party. However, if the can hang together loosely, both parties will do everything in their power to bait them to join one side or another.

Unless something really fundamental happens, they will stay outside the parties and make the parties come to them.

It is commonly referred to as the "Non-partisan League" (NPL). It was the NPL that controlled the Republican party to elect Eisenhauer. They controlled the Dems to elect Kennedy. It doesn't always work because it was the NPL that controlled the Dems to push Humphrey, Muskie, and Mondale to the top. In doing so,they lost their "centrist" tendencies, went to the left, and melted into the Democratic Party in the 70's. They disappeared because they let their "brand" be co-opted by a party.

They were never an independent party but only a grouping of agriculture farms and businesses that were unhappy about the agriculture pricing and unfair trade practices of the grain buyers and railroads of the early twentieth century.

They controlled the Ag Department for over 50 years and most of their policies are still in force today.

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

More evidence that we need practical campaign fiance reform.

I shouldn't be able to send a dime to some NY congressional campaign, and neither should you. Newt Gingrich shouldn't have anything to do with it nor should Barack Obama.

If you can't vote, you can't give. That takes care of lobbyists. They'll be stuck running commercials for what they want instead of buying off pols. This goes for national, state and local elections. Not a constituent? You can't give.

I like that message Larry, but it wil never happen.

What you are suggesting is that the RNC and the DNC would not be allowed to help any candidate. That all monies used by a candidate would have to come from individuals who supported that individual candidate. Individuals in that candidates district. It would also mean that a rich man or a man with a rich friend, could easily buy himself an election

It;s a great idea, but it aint gonna happen.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

I like that message Larry, but it wil never happen.

What you are suggesting is that the RNC and the DNC would not be allowed to help any candidate. That all monies used by a candidate would have to come from individuals who supported that individual candidate. Individuals in that candidates district.

It;s a great idea, but it aint gonna happen.

Goddamn it, that just pisses me off. "Great idea. It'll never happen."

How about we work towards it, one step at a time? Two years ago, no way Obama wins. nearly 30 years ago, no way Reagan wins.

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Goddamn it, that just pisses me off. "Great idea. It'll never happen."

How about we work towards it, one step at a time? Two years ago, no way Obama wins. nearly 30 years ago, no way Reagan wins.

Yeah, kinda like my idea to reform the primary system.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ylexot

Yeah, kinda like my idea to reform the primary system.

Change starts with ideas.

[chernmax (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Are they? How so? The narrative, over and over and over, is that McCain lost because of Palin. McCain lost because he went right.

That is non sense on ANY level. The party elites know what they know; most GOP'ers are gonna vote the 'R', regardless of who it is, even if it is one of the most left leaning national level Republican we have.

They WILL get the message if and when we, the people, stop supporting lesser evils.

McCain lost because the 4 more years of George Bush stuck and McCain looked and sounded weak.

[chernmax (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Change starts with ideas.

How many great ideas on healthcare reform keep bouncing off our politicans foreheads. Not to mention the 1000's of protestors, and media ads. And yet they still charge onto the left...

[ylexot (Premo)]

Originally Posted by chernmax

McCain lost because the 4 more years of George Bush stuck and McCain looked and sounded weak.

The "4 more years of George Bush" stuck because McCain isn't very conservative...just like GWB. If he had said that TARP (and many other things) was bad, it wouldn't have stuck.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by chernmax

McCain lost because the 4 more years of George Bush stuck and McCain looked and sounded weak.

Had Mr. Maverick been a maverick and postponed his campaign to shout down the most insane, asinine idea in the history of insane, asinine ideas, TARP, he'd be potus today.

He woulda spent the last weeks of the campaign saying "I told you so" and looking like everything he ever claimed to be.

But, noooooooooooooo...

[chernmax (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ylexot

The "4 more years of George Bush" stuck because McCain isn't very conservative...just like GWB. If he had said that TARP (and many other things) was bad, it wouldn't have stuck.

Agree but overall he was a bad Republican choice and his handlers ran a sh#tty campaign.