Doug Hoffman (infamous NY dist. 23)...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...is a total dork in case you haven't seen him on TV as yet.

If you've paid SOME attention, you know he is against gay marriage and is pro life. That's about it.

If you wanna know more, you can find that he is also;

Hoffman believes the Tax Code is corrupt, and that deficits are wrong. He believes that abortion is wrong, that gay marriage is wrong, and he opposes the repeal of don’t ask, don’t tell. He opposes the Employee Free Choice Act, supports the Second Amendment, supports tort reform, opposes health-care reform and the public option, is a strong supporter of the war against terrorism, and opposes cap-and-trade.[10]

So, there is your baseline FYI.


As for his R competition, Dede, she is;

A moderate-to-liberal Republican, Scozzafava is pro-choice and pro-same-sex marriage, [3] but opposes gun control.[4] The latter stance is not surprising given the nature of her district; many North Country residents are hunters and trappers. She also has strong ties to organized labor, something which is not common for most Republicans. In agreement with most Republicans, she is against cap-and-trade[5] and is in favor of the Bush tax cuts and in favor of maintaining them.[6]

Now, she doesn't seem to be all that far left of a candidate absent social issues which are decidedly not the issue these last 8 years. However, the biggest indictment against her is her endorsement of the Democrat in this race.

So, there's your readers digest on these folks.

BTW: Got all this off of wiki.

[Pete (Premo)]

Related but not the actual topic I wonder how Newt feels since he endorsed Dede and chastized conservatives for not supporting her /the party, then she drops out and endorses the Democrat.

[ylexot (Premo)]

If it was 2008, there was someone like Hoffman running for President, and McCain decided to drop out of the race (I know that's a huge hypothetical), who do you think McCain would endorse? Obama or the conservative? Personally, I think he'd back Obama.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Pete

Related but not the actual topic I wonder how Newt feels since he endorsed Dede and chastized conservatives for not supporting her /the party, then she drops out and endorses the Democrat.

Two schools of thought; just win and principles.

Clearly, politics requires some of both. Too much practicality and what you may win is meaningless. To much principle and you can't expect to govern on very large of a scale.

To me, it is a simple matter of too much of the former and too little of the latter for the GOP these last 8 years. Newt just stuck his foot in a giant turd and he was wrong, way wrong, especially when this was a golden opportunity for principle.

[Nucklesack]

Originally Posted by Pete

Related but not the actual topic I wonder how Newt feels since he endorsed Dede and chastized conservatives for not supporting her /the party, then she drops out and endorses the Democrat.

What bothers me more than the internal GOP spat is the illustration that, for a significant segment of the GOP, loyalty is a one-way street. Scozzafava has been a Republican for decades. But because she wasn’t conservative enough, national GOP figures threw their support to a third party candidate.

And now that, thoroughly betrayed by her party, she has gone over to the Democrats. And they are lashing out at her again for “betraying” the party that turned its back on her.

This is not the loyalty demonstrated by a political group; that goes both ways. This is the loyalty of a religious movement. All must be loyal to the leaders; the leaders must be loyal to none. If Scozzafava were anti-gay-marriage and anti-abortion, they wouldn’t have had a problem with her

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

What bothers me more than the internal GOP spat is the illustration that, for a significant segment of the GOP, loyalty is a one-way street. Scozzafava has been a Republican for decades. But because she wasn’t conservative enough, national GOP figures threw their support to a third party candidate.

And now that, thoroughly betrayed by her party, she has gone over to the Democrats. And they are lashing out at her again for “betraying” the party that turned its back on her.

This is not the loyalty demonstrated by a political group; that goes both ways. This is the loyalty of a religious movement. All must be loyal to the leaders; the leaders must be loyal to none. If Scozzafava were anti-gay-marriage and anti-abortion, they wouldn’t have had a problem with her

Good points. However, it seems that what sparked the interest, what drew attention, was her appointment as candidate instead of a primary.

[aps45819 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

What bothers me more than the internal GOP spat is the illustration that, for a significant segment of the GOP, loyalty is a one-way street. Scozzafava has been a Republican for decades. But because she wasn’t conservative enough, national GOP figures threw their support to a third party candidate.

And now that, thoroughly betrayed by her party, she has gone over to the Democrats. And they are lashing out at her again for “betraying” the party that turned its back on her.

The "party" stood by her. Newt publicly criticized the conservatives that endorsed Hoffman.
The problem is that the party is willing to support a liberal in order to get another "R" on the congressional roll.

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by Nucklesack

What bothers me more than the internal GOP spat is the illustration that, for a significant segment of the GOP, loyalty is a one-way street. Scozzafava has been a Republican for decades. But because she wasn’t conservative enough, national GOP figures threw their support to a third party candidate.

And now that, thoroughly betrayed by her party, she has gone over to the Democrats. And they are lashing out at her again for “betraying” the party that turned its back on her.

This is not the loyalty demonstrated by a political group; that goes both ways. This is the loyalty of a religious movement. All must be loyal to the leaders; the leaders must be loyal to none. If Scozzafava were anti-gay-marriage and anti-abortion, they wouldn’t have had a problem with her

She has never been a loyal Republican, she is a RINO.
Republican RINO Leaders supported her, it was the Conservatives who didnt, A charge led by another person that the RINO's didnt support, Sarah Palin.
The RINO's gave her 900,000 thousand dollars which went in the toilet.

Betrayed by her party?? You mean the party who's principle's she betrayed?
She isnt lashing out because she was betrayed, she endorsed all the principle's of the Democrat she endorsed and endorsed him because she is truly a Democrat to begin with. Your last state ment is probably correct,If Scozzafava were anti-gay-marriage and anti-abortion, they wouldn’t have had a problem with her. But that is the difference between a RINO and a Conservative. We dont endorse these things or anything else she did.

The Republican Leaders in New York chose badly. They got stung.
Good news.

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...is a total dork in case you haven't seen him on TV as yet.

If you've paid SOME attention, you know he is against gay marriage and is pro life. That's about it.

If you wanna know more, you can find that he is also;



So, there is your baseline FYI.


As for his R competition, Dede, she is;



Now, she doesn't seem to be all that far left of a candidate absent social issues which are decidedly not the issue these last 8 years. However, the biggest indictment against her is her endorsement of the Democrat in this race.

So, there's your readers digest on these folks.

BTW: Got all this off of wiki.

I would have voted for the Dork over the RINO every time. Funny you should call someone a dork because he doesnt believe in gay marriage and is pro life. Lots of those dorks out there.

Maybe I missed the sarcasm tag. he seems to believe a lot in the same things I do.

I didnt see his appearance on TV, maybe that is the basis of your evaluation.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

I would have voted for the Dork over the RINO every time. Funny you should call someone a dork because he doesnt believe in gay marriage and is pro life. Lots of those dorks out there.

Maybe I missed the sarcasm tag. he seems to believe a lot in the same things I do.

I didnt see his appearance on TV, maybe that is the basis of your evaluation.

I presume you haven't seen this guy on TV? He's a dork.

I wanted to know where he and she stood on the issues so, I found out. I would vote for him over her.