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[MMDad (Premo)]

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There are two big reasons that you pay $10 for an aspirin.

1. You aren't only paying for the aspirin, you are paying for the nurse who gives it to you and documents it, storage, tracking, billing, janitorial services, HVAC, HIPAA compliance, OSHA compliance, HAZMAT compliance, securtiy, and more.

2. If the real cost of everything above is $5, they charge $10 in hopes that they get an average of $5 in payment.

Nothing in any current proposals adresses any of this. The politicians on both side do not really care about healthcare - it is all about power and furthering their agenda.

The scariest thing is when that agenda is redistribution of wealth and the destruction of the Constitution.

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

Does anyone who works for the Government now and has their insurance subsidised , really believe that if that government has it's own insurance, that they will continue to subsidise your policy with a private company.

If you do you are crazy.

When the Government institutes their own policies, you as a government employee will be on that policy. you can bet your ass on that one.

The Government option will be the only option, count on it.

Excluding congress... let's not forget they specifically excluded themselves from having to use their own healthcare plan.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

Does anyone who works for the Government now and has their insurance subsidised , really believe that if that government has it's own insurance, that they will continue to subsidise your policy with a private company.

If you do you are crazy.

When the Government institutes their own policies, you as a government employee will be on that policy. you can bet your ass on that one.

The Government option will be the only option, count on it.

This also worries me because I am on TriCare. I am certain TriCare recipients will be the first forced on the "Public Option".

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by twinoaks207

My employer has already stated that this will happen when the Health Care bill public option takes place. This will impact about 10,000 workers.

It seems to be a no-brainer to me. It's what I'd do. Why would I keep paying into something that I know someone else will provide, at my expense? Why should I have my taxes go up to pay for something, while and the same time subsidizing it in the private sector?

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

This also worries me because I am on TriCare. I am certain TriCare recipients will be the first forced on the "Public Option".

What worries me is that as soon as the government gets ahold of it, affirmative action is going to go into hyperdrive when it comes to who gets to be a doctor.

Just cant wait till they tell me my new doctors name is Jamal Saddam Mohommad Khaddafi.

[ImnoMensa]

Originally Posted by bcp

What worries me is that as soon as the government gets ahold of it, affirmative action is going to go into hyperdrive when it comes to who gets to be a doctor.

Just cant wait till they tell me my new doctors name is Jamal Saddam Mohommad Khaddafi.

I doubt Affirmative action will have much to do with Doctors , However it will have a lot to do with the people hired to push the Death button at the place where the government screens your application for medical aid.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by bcp

What worries me is that as soon as the government gets ahold of it, affirmative action is going to go into hyperdrive when it comes to who gets to be a doctor.

The whole thing could turn bad on a bunch of different levels. It makes my head spin.

Originally Posted by bcp

Just cant wait till they tell me my new doctors name is Jamal Saddam Mohommad Khaddafi.

You mean that's not already his name?

[hvp05 (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

You mean that's not already his name?

I don't think my grandmother has been able to correctly pronounce her primary's name for 20 years.

[PsyOps]

Originally Posted by hvp05

I don't think my grandmother has been able to correctly pronounce her primary's name for 20 years.

And I bet she hasn't understood a word her Dr has said either.

[Alexa]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Okay. So you’re an employer. Your employees are paying $200 per month and you are matching that at $200 per employee for health insurance. You have 50 employees. Suddenly the government comes along and says “Hey Alexa, you can stop paying that supplement we are able to cover it now. Besides, as a business owner your taxes are going up by 10% to cover the 'Public Option', so it would be destroy your profit margin to have to keep paying that premium as well as have to take on a higher tax rate.” So, you (the employer), in an effort to save $120,000 per year, on the next round of benefits renewals, announce to your employees that you are no longer providing healthcare insurance and that your employees will have to pay out-of-pocket or go on the “Public Option”. In the mean time, the 10% hike in taxes is far more than you can afford to keep 50 employees so you have to lay off 10 of your employees.

Couple this with workers whose company keeps their insurance benefits, but most of those employees realize they can better afford the "Public Option" than pay $200 per month, so they jump off the private insurance to save money.

Now tell me what employer wouldn’t do this? Are you telling me this wont result in insurance companies going out of business? Loss of jobs? Plus the jobs lost due to small businesses having their taxes hiked due to the "Public Option". I mean the math is pretty simple if you ask me.

It all depends on the health care reform bill that finally passes law. However, if they do set it up in the way other industrialized nations have, then yes, insurance companies will thrive.

I am against the Canadian and England models in which health care is wholly government run. However, I do support the model many European countries such as Germany and France have. These models have base coverage subsidized by the government. Everyone is covered by the bare necessities. Private insurance comes in after this and sells supplemental insurance based on what the customer can afford. Employers pay into health care based on the size of the company/number of employees they have.

The insurance industries are doing fine in the countries in which government and private insurance work hand in hand. The quality of health care isn't shabby either. Doctors are still making house calls in some of these countries. It's coverage I have had and isn't any better or worse than what one has here.

The resistance to change is uncanny. With this mindset Ford would have never gotten anywhere with his automobile. We would still be in horse and buggy and doing the verbal tear down of the Europeans with their socialistic cars. Just the because other countries do something, doesn't make it bad.