FAA fundamentalists start inquisition...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

...people are starting to get suspended and probably worse is coming because an ATC brought his kid into work at JFK and let him talk to a few flights.



The Taliban could relate to that level of zealotry.

[awpitt]

Saw that this morning. They play the recording. Seemed harmless enough; however, it's a major violation. The kid wasn't even supposed to be in the tower at all, let alone be allowed to give T/O clearance and frequency change approval to the JBU flight.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by awpitt

Saw that this morning. They play the recording. Seemed harmless enough; however, it's a major violation. The kid wasn't even supposed to be in the tower at all, let alone be allowed to give T/O clearance and frequency change approval to the JBU flight.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For crying out loud, obviously, dad was telling him what to say and was right there. It's not like he said "Son, take over while I go to break..."

Clearly, every single plane understood the kid, just fine and right away. This is not a safety issue or risk, at all. Anyone whose ever head these people talk regularly, geez, this was plain English compared to the usual much mouth, unintelligible verbal hieroglyphics these people are used to!

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For crying out loud, obviously, dad was telling him what to say and was right there. It's not like he said "Son, take over while I go to break..."

Clearly, every single plane understood the kid, just fine and right away. This is not a safety issue or risk, at all. Anyone whose ever head these people talk regularly, geez, this was plain English compared to the usual much mouth, unintelligible verbal hieroglyphics these people are used to!

I think the little bugger did a good job. He/she (?) was intelligible and everything. It even sounded like at least one of the pilots was amused.
No harm, no foul......but Dad's still got a very good chance of losing his job cuz of something written in some never-seen "rule book."

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by DEEKAYPEE8569

I think the little bugger did a good job. He/she (?) was intelligible and everything. It even sounded like at least one of the pilots was amused.
No harm, no foul......but Dad's still got a very good chance of losing his job cuz of something written in some never-seen "rule book."

OK, but, why not a reprimand or, say, a fine of some sort so that everyone doesn't start doing it. Or, better yet, how about 'bring your kid to the tower' day once a month or so? Or, you get to bring your kid as some sort of performance reward?

I swear to God, we are less different than the Taliban every day; we are starting to serve our rules rather than the rules serving us.

[ImnoMensa]

Although I may agree that they are making a mountain out of a molehill, someone wasnt thinking too clearly when they allowed this to happen.

The father of the kid isnt the only one in trouble here. His supervisor and anyone in the tower with a smile on their face is in the Dookie.

It wasnt the brightest thing to do. A ten day suspension would be more than adequate punishment in my mind, and I dont equate this in any way with the decapitating Taliban.
That's a bit absurd. You probably wouldnt let a Police Officer loan his kid his gun.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by DEEKAYPEE8569

I think the little bugger did a good job. He/she (?) was intelligible and everything. It even sounded like at least one of the pilots was amused.
No harm, no foul......but Dad's still got a very good chance of losing his job cuz of something written in some never-seen "rule book."

This isn't a case of some unknown rule. This is the basics. If you're not a certified controller, you don't control aircraft. In this case it was harmless and it even sounded like the pilots got a kick out it but the dad should've known better. Hopefully, the higher-ups will just give him a warning or a lite reprimand so everyone can move on but it shouldn't just be excused.

BTW, the kid did speak more clearly then most controllers do. Someday, when he's old enough and goes through the training and gets certified, maybe be he'll end up being a great controller.

[exnodak]

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I swear to God, we are less different than the Taliban every day; we are starting to serve our rules rather than the rules serving us.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

We need to stop creating solutions in search of a problems.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

Although I may agree that they are making a mountain out of a molehill, someone wasnt thinking too clearly when they allowed this to happen.

The father of the kid isnt the only one in trouble here. His supervisor and anyone in the tower with a smile on their face is in the Dookie.

It wasnt the brightest thing to do. A ten day suspension would be more than adequate punishment in my mind, and I dont equate this in any way with the decapitating Taliban.
That's a bit absurd. You probably wouldnt let a Police Officer loan his kid his gun.

This kid wasn't handed a loaded weapon! He wasn't given the controls of a plane! He repeated what what his dad told him to say! Not from memory. Just short, concise statements.

10 suspension is crazy and so is punishing everyone in the tower. Treat mole hills like mole hills.

[awpitt]

Originally Posted by ImnoMensa

Although I may agree that they are making a mountain out of a molehill, someone wasnt thinking too clearly when they allowed this to happen.

The father of the kid isnt the only one in trouble here. His supervisor and anyone in the tower with a smile on their face is in the Dookie.

It wasnt the brightest thing to do. A ten day suspension would be more than adequate punishment in my mind, and I dont equate this in any way with the decapitating Taliban.
That's a bit absurd. You probably wouldnt let a Police Officer loan his kid his gun.

I also wonder why the pilots didn't req clearification when they heard a kid's voice on the air.