defining treason

[theHypocrite]

an elected official swears to uphold and defend the Constitution and then advocates separation or breakup of the Union

isn't that the classic definition of treason???

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[itsbob]

Originally Posted by theHypocrite

an elected official swears to uphold and defend the Constitution and then advocates separation or breakup of the Union

isn't that the classic definition of treason???

Health Care Law Has Wamp Hoping Against Secession - Hotline On Call

No because seccession in and of itself isn't treasonous.

Especially if you are suggesting it because the federal governnemt is overstepping it's bounds, and ignoring states rights upheld by the US Constitution.

There is a question on ALL security forms.. Do you support overthrowing the governmnet by other than constitutional mean? SO I can plan, and even attempt to overthrow the government and not be a traitor and not even lose my clearance, as long as I do it by constitutional means.

Your state can secede from the Union the same way.. we are FREE men after all.. we should be FREE to come and go as we please.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by theHypocrite

isn't that the classic definition of treason???

No Kyle. The "classic" definition of treason is "the act of levying war against the United States or adhering to or giving aid and comfort to its enemies by one who owes it allegiance."

Where did you see anything about war or aiding the enemy?

Now "adhering to.... its enemies" is very consistent with giving Chavez a hug, praising the Castro regime, or apologizing to terrorists.

By the way, your refusal to use capitalization highlights your ignorance. Even if you did have anything intelligent to say, it's hard to take someone seriously if they don't know how to use a shift key.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by theHypocrite

an elected official swears to uphold and defend the Constitution and then advocates separation or breakup of the Union isn't that the classic definition of treason???

No. Actually entertaining the thoughts of seccession is enforcing the legal rights of the Declaration of Independence. It was originally developed to break free from the governmental stranglehold of Britain and can certainly apply to America when our own federal government begins to take rights away from the people in order to impose greater control over the populace. It is supposed to be in place so that this does not happen to the citizenry again.

Take the time to really read and understand how this applies to State sovereignty vs unconstitutional Federal Control:

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Read all about it:

The Declaration of Independence

[hvp05]

Originally Posted by Starman3000m

Take the time to really read and understand how this applies to State sovereignty vs unconstitutional Federal Control:

Apparently, you have not dealt with the Hypocrap before.

If it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker and/or he can't digest it in <30 seconds, he ain't having it.

[Starman3000m]

Originally Posted by hvp05

Apparently, you have not dealt with the Hypocrap before.

If it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker and/or he can't digest it in <30 seconds, he ain't having it.

I'm hoping that "theHypocrite" will actually take time to read the U.S. Declaration of Independence.

Perhaps then the answer to "defining treason" that began this thread will sink in as it will point to all the members of Congress and Administration who are voting to impose greater restrictions on the present Constitutional freedoms of all American citizens. It would point to actions of those who are directing our country toward a Socialist government. Now THAT would qualify as Treason against the American Citizenry!

[Starman3000m]

Anything here sound familiar in this day and age???

From the Declaration of Independence:

- He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

- He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

- He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

- He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

- He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

- He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

- He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

- He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

- He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

- He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

Hmmm... just sayin'

The Declaration of Independence