The worst beatle...Imagine

[Fairmount]

These lyrics...I can't Imagine any!

Some just need to be dead!
Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

This would be John Lennons perfect brain dead society BTW I hate this song.
It's so anti-everything except a loin cloth and Chinese #####.

[FromTexas]

Yes, because wanting no one to need or want and to be at peace with each other is such an awful shameful message.

[MMDad]

Originally Posted by Fairmount

These lyrics...I can't Imagine any!

Some just need to be dead!

You are a sick man Tommy. Get help. Please. You know where to find it.

[Mongo53]

Originally Posted by FromTexas

Yes, because wanting no one to need or want and to be at peace with each other is such an awful shameful message.

The goal of the message isn't wrong, its the 2nd grade analysis of cause and effect, and the suggested remedy that is so wrong.

You may say that I'm a dreamer

Exactly, its a Dreamer's Dream, nothing more, its does NOT stand the test of reality. BUT, sadly, lots of Dreamer's that are easily swayed in their idealogy, also vote, and that is the saddest thing of all.

[philibusters]

I think the song is fine. I am not a huge fan because I have heard so much on the radio that I am tired of it.

The broad concept of the song is to paint a picture of an utopia in my opinion. I kind of interpret the song at that general level. To me its analogous to a painting of Adam and Eve before they ate the apple--a utopia--different version of utopia, but still that painting is more a painting of utopia then an affirmation of any religious doctrine.

From this forum I know a lot of people interpret it differently and feel its an endorsement of communism or socialism. Its a short song with only a couple stanzas so its not possible to really say either my interpretation or other interpretations are right or wrong, you have to make your own call.

Either way, I don't find images of utopia that useful in solving real life problems and I don't think communism solves real life problems either so I am not a huge fan of the substantive message of the song, but I find the song a lot more harmless than the original poster.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by FromTexas

Yes, because wanting no one to need or want and to be at peace with each other is such an awful shameful message.

You damn hippie

[Mongo53]

Funny how Communist's Utopia and John Lennon's Utopia have so much in common.

BUT, like stated its only a couple of stanzas, you can interpret it anyway you want.

I am very willing to believe Lennon had no intentions of endorsing Communism, but out of ignorance, he probably didn't realize his Utopia had a lot in common with the Communist description of Utopia.

BUT, enough already, its a SONG!, and if someone is swayed by the rambling dreamer nature of it, then its their problem, NOT ours. I just wished people that stupid didn't vote, because then we do have to deal with their problem.

[LC_Sulla]

Originally Posted by Mongo53

Funny how Communist's Utopia and John Lennon's Utopia have so much in common.

BUT, like stated its only a couple of stanzas, you can interpret it anyway you want.

I am very willing to believe Lennon had no intentions of endorsing Communism, but out of ignorance, he probably didn't realize his Utopia had a lot in common with the Communist description of Utopia.

BUT, enough already, its a SONG!, and if someone is swayed by the rambling dreamer nature of it, then its their problem, NOT ours. I just wished people that stupid didn't vote, because then we do have to deal with their problem.

Fortunately, the Founders were a lot smarter than you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_(song)

In the book Lennon in America, by Geoffrey Giuliano, Lennon commented that Imagine was an "anti-religious, anti-nationalistic, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic [song], but because it's sugar-coated, it's accepted."

[Mongo53]

Originally Posted by LC_Sulla

Fortunately, the Founders were a lot smarter than you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine_(song)

So, if you were really smart, you would want people so dumb they are swayed by an "anti-religious, anti-nationalistic, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic" song, voting?

Imagine if there were no Liberals?

I don't assume Lennon was calling for a Communist overthrow with his song, yet you assume I call for ignoring the Consitution, because I said, "I just wished people that stupid didn't vote". There is a difference between, I Wish and NOT be allowed, isn't there?

Almost like assuming someone that says "Imagine" is saying "Go out and Destroy".

Wouldn't the corrorallary of your argument be,

Mongo53e: BUT, enough already, its a SONG!, and if someone is smart enough NOT to be influenced by the rambling dreamer nature of it, then its admiral, and NOT a problem at all. I just wished people that smart didn't vote, because then we would have less problems to deal with.

LC_Sulla: Unfortunately, the Founders were a lot dumber than you.

Now that is briallance, isn't it.

[LC_Sulla]

Originally Posted by Mongo53

So, if you were really smart, you would want people so dumb they are swayed by an "anti-religious, anti-nationalistic, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic" song, voting?

Imagine if there were no Liberals?

I don't assume Lennon was calling for a Communist overthrow with his song, yet you assume I call for ignoring the Consitution, because I said, "I just wished people that stupid didn't vote". There is a difference between, I Wish and NOT be allowed, isn't there?

Almost like assuming someone that says "Imagine" is saying "Go out and Destroy".

Wouldn't the corrorallary of your argument be,

Mongo53e: BUT, enough already, its a SONG!, and if someone is smart enough NOT to be influenced by the rambling dreamer nature of it, then its admiral, and NOT a problem at all. I just wished people that smart didn't vote, because then we would have less problems to deal with.

LC_Sulla: Unfortunately, the Founders were a lot dumber than you.

Now that is briallance, isn't it.

Ah, ok.

'I wish' you were smarter.

'I wish' you could understand that many people are not religious, yet contribute positively to society and the country.

'I wish' you could understand that some people don't believe in unbridled......anything, whether that's religious or economic philosophy.

Imagine no conservatives.