The Shocking Truth That God Loves Osama Bin Laden

this is true .......... but with out redemption and a belief in Jesus Christ as his savior, he burns in hell now

I am a bad Catholic ....... I will not be praying for this enemy ....

The Shocking Truth That God Loves Osama Bin Laden Too


As it has for many people, the news of Osama bin Laden’s death has stirred up a lot of old memories for me: Sitting in front of my television, wiping sleep out of my eyes, seeing a tower with smoke billowing out the side. Seeing the horror-stricken look on a woman’s face as she looked up from a New York street and cried, “Oh no, no! They’re jumping!” Looking at the block of windows where my husband used to work in the South Tower, watching them crumple when it fell, wondering if his old coworkers were okay.

At the time I was an atheist, so the terrible event, as sickening as it was, didn’t trigger a moral conundrum for me. Bad things happen, there’s not much you can do about it, and that’s how it is, the thinking went. It wasn’t until I came to believe in God and started learning about Catholic teaching that I would look back on that awful day and have my mind reel as I tried to absorb one of the most difficult moral truths I’d ever heard: That God not only could, but wants to forgive Osama bin Laden. That even someone who was responsible for a terror attack that slaughtered thousands could ask for God’s forgiveness, and receive it.

The first time I encountered this concept, it was, to put it bluntly, terrifying. I came across a blog post by a Catholic woman named Drusilla, which remains one of the most powerful essays I’ve ever read. She told of witnessing the murder of her grandfather when she was a young child, after her parents had also been murdered. She described how the event impacted her by saying:

Mine was an ancient pain beyond utterance and I could not have said whether I was angry or sad or filled with hate. And until now words had not come along with the tears only pain. But when words did come it did not surprise me that rage accompanied them. That too was ancient. In this time of looking into the past, of accepting that what was there was part and parcel of me and could no longer be ignored, rage had finally been given safe passage and was quite pleased to emerge whenever necessary.

[Mongo53]

Originally Posted by EmptyTimCup

this is true .......... but with out redemption and a belief in Jesus Christ as his savior, he burns in hell now

I am a bad Catholic ....... I will not be praying for this enemy ....

Its God's Job to forgive Osama Bin Ladin;

But it was SEAL Team 6's job to arrange the meeting;

They'v done their job.

Originally Posted by Mongo53

Its God's Job to forgive Osama Bin Ladin;

But it was SEAL Team 6's job to arrange the meeting;

They'v done their job.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Why in the politics forum Tim? This could get religious...
That woman was correct. God loves him and Osama could have changed his heart & mind up until the day he died, but he didn't. Now he's learned the harsh reality that:

There is no Allah
There are no 72 virgins waiting for muslims
His entire life was wasted
Everything he's done, can & will be used against him in a court of law
He cannot change where he will be now & forever...
ALL of his buddies will soon join him...

The true God wants to dispell any rumors that He hates anyone. He said:

21 “But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die.
22 None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live.
23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

30 Therefore you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall.
31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?
32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live"! (Ezekiel 18)

yeah it is both political and religious


and I never said she wasn't correct .... just that I would not be praying for OBL


even though we are supposed to pray for out enemies

[Mongo53]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

...
There is no Allah
...

From the Political Perspective, actually, we would do well to remember that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same god. We just disagree over the savior prophecy, how to worship and the importance of the prophets.

Well, and the region, pre-existing cultures and cultural developments before, during and after the dominance of the religion.

At least that is my perspective, the clash between the west and the muslim world is more about culture than it is religion. Religion and Culture are tied close together, feed into one another, and its the culture of the Muslim World that corrupts their religion and exploits it for hate and violence.

Its an entire region that stopped evolving culturally and societally after the peak of their civilization, they are still stuck in the middle ages.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Mongo53

From the Political Perspective, actually, we would do well to remember that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same god. We just disagree over the savior prophecy, how to worship and the importance of the prophets.

Jews & Muslims don't believe in the God of Christianity. They've misread Moses and the Prophets badly and missed the Messiah. Wrong Jesus, wrong god...

[Mongo53]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Jews & Muslims don't believe in the God of Christianity. They've misread Moses and the Prophets badly and missed the Messiah. Wrong Jesus, wrong god...

That is your perspective, one NOT shared by most.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Mongo53

That is your perspective, one NOT shared by most.

And for that reason "most" won't be spending eternity with God. The Bible isn't open to majority opinion. What "most" people believe will not change what God said. The Jews & Muslims deny that Jesus Christ is God. That means they have a different Jesus. He spent a lot of time on earth telling many of the Jews that they were not His sheep because of their unbelief in Him. Might be time for a refresher course, eh?

[Mongo53]

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

And for that reason "most" won't be spending eternity with God.

No one knows who will enter the gates of heaven, you're assuming the mantle of judgement from God, are you NOT?

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

The Bible isn't open to majority opinion. What "most" people believe will not change what God said.

Majority Opinion does NOT change the Truth, I agree. Truth is an absolute, BUT, being imperfect human beings we are incapable of achieving an absolute. We are left to "interpret" the word of God and "hope" we have done it correctly to reveil the truth. We must have the humility to accept the possiblity we may be wrong, and the tolerance to accept others may interpret it differently than ourselves.

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

The Jews & Muslims deny that Jesus Christ is God.

Just as we deny Mohammed was the one true prophet, and we deny the Saviour will arrive (because he already has in our perspective).

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

That means they have a different Jesus.

Thats right, but if they have a different Jesus, then they must have the same god. In some view's, Jesus is the same as God, so to deny Jesus is to deny God, I think that is your perspective. BUT, if you agree about God, but disagree about Jesus, its still the same God you believe in.

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

He spent a lot of time on earth telling many of the Jews that they were not His sheep because of their unbelief in Him.

He also spent a lot of time on earth telling many to love their enemies and embrace those that are different than them. Telling many NOT to judge others because that is God's job. He told a lot of Jews, Pagans, Gentiles they were NOT his sheep, because their actions contradicted their words, and showed they did NOT believe in him and God.

The whole lesson of the Passion was, "WE", all of God's Children had sunk so low in our pride and sin, we had hit rock bottom and crucified the saviour God had sent to us. NOT the Jews, NOT the Romans, "WE" all of God's Children, did this, and it was our lesson to learn and grow from and start a new path to improve and be better.

Islamic Faniticism stems from the righteous indignation they feel, believing they know the "TRUTH" and all others that do NOT accept the "TRUTH" are wrong and deserve the consequences. Then they mold that truth to support what they want, as long as they can find a interpretation that supports what they want, they have their "TRUTH" to continue their crusade/fatwah of righteous indignation. There is where the culture fall into it, the culture influnces what they want, then they go and find the interpretations that support their personal molding of the truth.

Yet, you do the same thing but from the other side.

Follow the path that God sets for you, realize as an imperfect human being, you will stray from that path, but do your best to get back to it. If others choose a different path, let God Judge them, NOT you. God knows the truth, its horribly vain to assume you equal God and know the truth like him and can reveal it to the rest.

Originally Posted by ItalianScallion

Might be time for a refresher course, eh?

Yea, it might, but for who? This likely needs to go to the religion board, because we are going far outside the scope of the politics forum.