Sun Causes Climate Change Shock

The Sun Causes Climate Change .........

that is all

Sun Causes Climate Change Shock


If Michael Crichton had lived to write a follow-up to State of Fear, the plotline might well have gone like this: at a top secret, state of the art laboratory in Switzerland, scientists finally discover the true cause of “global warming”. It’s the sun, stupid. More specifically – as the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark has long postulated – it’s the result of cosmic rays which act as a seed for cloud formation. The scientists working on the project are naturally euphoric: this is a major breakthrough which will not only overturn decades of misguided conjecture on so-called Man Made Global Warming but will spare the global economy trillions of dollars which might otherwise have been squandered on utterly pointless efforts to reduce anthropogenic CO2 emissions. However, these scientists have failed to realise just how many people – alarmist scientists, huckster politicians, rent-seeking landowners like (the late Michael Crichton’s brilliant and, of course, entirely fictional creation) the absurd, pompous Sir Reginald Leeds Bt, green activists, eco-fund managers, EU technocrats, MSM environmental correspondents – stand to gain from the Man Made “Climate Change” industry. Their discovery must be suppressed at all costs. So, one by one, the scientists on the cosmic ray project find themselves being bumped off, until only one man remains and must race against time to prove, etc, etc…

Except of course in the real world the second part wouldn’t happen. No one would need to go to the trouble of bumping off those pesky scientists with their awkward, annoying facts and their proper actual research. That’s because the MSM and the scientific “community” would find it perfectly easy to suppress the story anyway, without recourse to severed brake cables or ricin-impregnated hand-washes or staged “suicides”.

This is exactly what has happened with the latest revelations from CERN over its landmark CLOUD experiment, whose significance Lawrence Solomon explains here:

The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won’t be celebrating. The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth.

The research, published with little fanfare this week in the prestigious journal Nature, comes from über-prestigious CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, one of the world’s largest centres for scientific research involving 60 countries and 8,000 scientists at more than 600 universities and national laboratories. CERN is the organization that invented the World Wide Web, that built the multi-billion dollar Large Hadron Collider, and that has now built a pristinely clean stainless steel chamber that precisely recreated the Earth’s atmosphere.

In this chamber, 63 CERN scientists from 17 European and American institutes have done what global warming doomsayers said could never be done — demonstrate that cosmic rays promote the formation of molecules that in Earth’s atmosphere can grow and seed clouds, the cloudier and thus cooler it will be. Because the sun’s magnetic field controls how many cosmic rays reach Earth’s atmosphere (the stronger the sun’s magnetic field, the more it shields Earth from incoming cosmic rays from space), the sun determines the temperature on Earth.

[Silver301]

Originally Posted by EmptyTimCup

The Sun Causes Climate Change .........

that is all

The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth.

This seems like a play on words to me. The sun and cosmic rays are the DOMINANT controllers of climate on Earth? I don't think anyone is arguing against that. Remember; we don't need to destroy the planet to destroy ourselves.

[aps45819]

But we should shut down our coal fired power plants just in case.

and borrow a few trillion from the Chinese so we can buy chinese windmills.. just in case

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Silver301

This seems like a play on words to me. The sun and cosmic rays are the DOMINANT controllers of climate on Earth? I don't think anyone is arguing against that. Remember; we don't need to destroy the planet to destroy ourselves.

Oh, please! Algore and his ilk have been destroying any shred of credibility in climate science for going on two decades arguing absolute utter non sense and making that very point; it is man primarily, not the sun. Or anything else.

He made his millions selling his brand of snake oil. It would be nice if he had enough dignity to just shut up and go enjoy it.

[ylexot]

Originally Posted by Silver301

This seems like a play on words to me. The sun and cosmic rays are the DOMINANT controllers of climate on Earth? I don't think anyone is arguing against that. Remember; we don't need to destroy the planet to destroy ourselves.

Ok, let's say that humans cause 10% of it. Are you willing to shut down 10% of all human activity to have a 1% effect on climate change?

[aps45819]

Originally Posted by Silver301

This seems like a play on words to me. The sun and cosmic rays are the DOMINANT controllers of climate on Earth? I don't think anyone is arguing against that. Remember; we don't need to destroy the planet to destroy ourselves.

Al Gore does

Run the numbers.

What percentage of the atmosphere is Co2?
What percentage of that is man made?
How much of that is from the U.S.?

If we shut down all our coal fired power plants today what effect would that have on the level of Co2 in the atmosphere?

If you come up with zero effect, you'll realize "green" is a big scam

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by ylexot

Ok, let's say that humans cause 10% of it. Are you willing to shut down 10% of all human activity to have a 1% effect on climate change?

If it was 10% it might be worth considering. But, then what?

This is the thing Gore and company won't go near; if we've changed the climate, what is it SUPPOSED to be? If we've changed the climate, might it be *gasp* for the better? The damage done to the credibility of science in general is the only thing about this that is man made and is catastrophic.

[Silver301]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Oh, please! Algore and his ilk have been destroying any shred of credibility in climate science for going on two decades arguing absolute utter non sense and making that very point; it is man primarily, not the sun. Or anything else.

He made his millions selling his brand of snake oil. It would be nice if he had enough dignity to just shut up and go enjoy it.

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

If it was 10% it might be worth considering. But, then what?

This is the thing Gore and company won't go near; if we've changed the climate, what is it SUPPOSED to be? If we've changed the climate, might it be *gasp* for the better? The damage done to the credibility of science in general is the only thing about this that is man made and is catastrophic.

I think that a lot of people on the left and right completely misunderstand the nature of climate change. Al Gore especially hasn't helped; I think he's an intelligent guy, but he turned the whole global warming thing into a polarizing issue.

Of course, warming and cooling periods occurred long before man came along; however, the rate of change we are currently experiencing is exponentially higher than average (and just happens to coincide with man's production of greenhouse gases). Understand that we are dealing in very large (years) and very small (degrees) numbers; and that the habitability of earth is maintained by a very specific equation.

Of course, the fact that the equation is nonlinear, and isn't fully known by anyone (and probably won't be for a very long time), is exactly why experts can't really predict what will happen if temps continue to rise. They make models, but those models must be made on assumptions because they don't fully understand the system as a whole.

As far as global warming improving our situation; I dunno, I'm not a climate expert. However, as an electrical engineer, I can tell you that I don't often (or ever) introduce noise or variations into a system which works and hope to see POSITIVE effects on it.

Originally Posted by aps45819

If you come up with zero effect, you'll realize "green" is a big scam.

I agree. Without completely changing how we live, as a species, I don't see how we can prevent global warming. I think we have to cross our fingers and hope for a break-through fix...like a bacteria which can break down undesirable pollutants. We've got time to figure it out.

[JoeRider]

Originally Posted by aps45819

But we should shut down our coal fired power plants just in case.

and borrow a few trillion from the Chinese so we can buy chinese windmills.. just in case

At this point they caught sight of thirty or forty windmills which were standing on the plain there, and no sooner had Don Quixote laid eyes upon them than he turned to his squire and said, “Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we could have wished; for you see there before you, friend Sancho Panza, some thirty or more lawless giants which whom I mean to do battle. I shall deprive them of their lives, and with the spoils from this encounter we shall begin to enrich ourselves, for this is righteous warfare, and it is a great service to God to remove so accursed a breed from the face of the earth.”

Cervantes: Don Quixote


Maybe there is more to Cervantes that we think. Don Quixote is not crazy! Cerantes can tell the future.

[JoeRider]

Originally Posted by Silver301

I think that a lot of people on the left and right completely misunderstand the nature of climate change. Al Gore especially hasn't helped; I think he's an intelligent guy, but he turned the whole global warming thing into a polarizing issue.

Of course, warming and cooling periods occurred long before man came along; however, the rate of change we are currently experiencing is exponentially higher than average (and just happens to coincide with man's production of greenhouse gases). Understand that we are dealing in very large (years) and very small (degrees) numbers; and that the habitability of earth is maintained by a very specific equation.

Of course, the fact that the equation is nonlinear, and isn't fully known by anyone (and probably won't be for a very long time), is exactly why experts can't really predict what will happen if temps continue to rise. They make models, but those models must be made on assumptions because they don't fully understand the system as a whole.

As far as global warming improving our situation; I dunno, I'm not a climate expert. However, as an electrical engineer, I can tell you that I don't often (or ever) introduce noise or variations into a system which works and hope to see POSITIVE effects on it.



I agree. Without completely changing how we live, as a species, I don't see how we can prevent global warming. I think we have to cross our fingers and hope for a break-through fix...like a bacteria which can break down undesirable pollutants. We've got time to figure it out.

I was taking to a scientist that works the global warming stuff. He said the more they hype it, the more money they get. Simple as that.