The U.S. has lost its way.

[2ndAmendment]

"There exists in the economy and course of nature, an indissoluble union between virtue and happiness; between duty and advantage; between the genuine maxims of an honest and magnanimous policy, and the solid rewards of public prosperity and felicity; since we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which Heaven itself has ordained." --George Washington, First Inaugural Address, 1789

We have a populace and a government that endorses "success" without work, advantage for certain groups, penalty of success. How much longer can we stand as a nation?

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

We have a populace and a government that endorses "success" without work, advantage for certain groups, penalty of success. How much longer can we stand as a nation?

I believe our nation of entitlement will implode within our lifetime.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by kwillia

I believe our nation of entitlement will implode within our lifetime.

History says it will, sooner or later. However, as an eternal optometrist, I'd like to think we can see our way clear to a re-dedication to constitutional governance and the necessary expectations of the citizenry from that governance.

When a person like Ron Paul is considered a kook by people who actually consider themselves to be supporters of the constitution because of his soundly constitutional views on government, we are in big trouble. He has any number of speeches and interviews where he lays out how simply and effectively our government would turn around, virtually overnight, were we to simply follow the constitution, especially in terms of economics, people just don't want to believe it because it sounds too good to be true.

All he is saying is if you want things to be better, start doing the right things. It's like for a drunk the first step is to stop drinking. The very next day is better. A week, a month, a year, way, way better. However, we are so addicted to the 'alcohol' of big government, we don't wanna hear that and our response is to go have another drink and pretend that's not the problem and ponder myriad other things it might be.

It's sad because we are such a mess. It's worse because it is so easy to fix. Given the will.

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

It's sad because we are such a mess. It's worse because it is so easy to fix. Given the will.

It's too late... we put ourselves on the path to socialism 4 years ago. When our current prez gets reelected it will be the end of all hope that we will remain a country that runs according to the Constitution that built it. We will, mark my word, we WILL become a part of the new GLOBAL NATION as designed and already being put into place.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by kwillia

It's too late... we put ourselves on the path to socialism 4 years ago. When our current prez gets reelected it will be the end of all hope that we will remain a country that runs according to the Constitution that built it. We will, mark my word, we WILL become a part of the new GLOBAL NATION as designed and already being put into place.

See, that's why I am not sanguine about our chances. I LOVE a chance to use that word!

As long as we think it only started under Obama, we'll never come to grips with what needs grippin' in order to right the ship of state.

[kwillia]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

See, that's why I am not sanguine about our chances. I LOVE a chance to use that word!

As long as we think it only started under Obama, we'll never come to grips with what needs grippin' in order to right the ship of state.

I don't believe it started unde Obama, but I DO believe his CZAR loving, EPA enabling, constant bypassing of our "checks and balances triangle of power" design has lit a super-sized stick of ACME Rocketblaster under it.

[Cheeky1]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

...It's like for a drunk the first step is to stop drinking. The very next day is better...

I'd have to disagree right there. The next day SUCKS and it may get easier to not be a alcoholic as time goes on, but an addiction always remains - you just become more effective and efficient at staving it, and its effects, off.

I read somewhere that the USA has been partying for the last 50 years. The general populous would need to stop partying and actually sober-up. ...but sobering-up sucks, so, they don't want to do that. It doesn't feel good/luxurious/distinguished/etc...

[Odessa78]

Originally Posted by kwillia

I don't believe it started unde Obama, but I DO believe his CZAR loving, EPA enabling, constant bypassing of our "checks and balances triangle of power" design has lit a super-sized stick of ACME Rocketblaster under it.

The slow but methodical brainwashing started a long time ago...Obama thought that the Country was ready for him to close the deal.

But I am NOT giving up.

[2ndAmendment]

The demise of the U.S. accelerated with the Civil War and Lincoln and the relegation of the states to subservient status to the feds in virtually everything. The 9th and 10th amendments were to prevent that. The "commerce clause" and "equal protection clause" of the 14th have been misinterpreted and expanded to further the federal power grab.

It accelerated further with the creation of the Federal Reserve. The socialist FDR, and he was a socialist, made it even worse. Obama is just the latest in a long list of Presidents that have little regard for the Constitution since it gets in the way of their power.

While I, like Larry, wish that the U.S. could get back on track and follow the Constitution, I agree with others that the evils of the world have been let out of Pandora's box and will not be put back in it.

On another note, the events of history and the march toward one world government is amazingly similar to the Biblical prophesy. So, as a believer, I believe the demise of the U.S. and the rise of one world government will happen.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Cheeky1

I'd have to disagree right there. The next day SUCKS and it may get easier to not be a alcoholic as time goes on, but an addiction always remains - you just become more effective and efficient at staving it, and its effects, off.

I read somewhere that the USA has been partying for the last 50 years. The general populous would need to stop partying and actually sober-up. ...but sobering-up sucks, so, they don't want to do that. It doesn't feel good/luxurious/distinguished/etc...

As a non alcoholic, I will defer to better judgments. In my own experience, not drinking too much tonight = a better tomorrow. So, I guess the question is, are we so bad off that it will, as you say, take some time or, as Paul's suggest, we only need cut it out and start reaping the benefits immediately?