Article: The Biggest Cover-Up in American History

[Starman3000m]

(This is a bit lengthy but well worth the time to read this info)

The Biggest Cover-Up in American History
By: Amil Imani with James H. Hyde

In this article we will prove beyond all doubt that Barack Hussein Obama is not a natural born Citizen and is thus ineligible to be President of the United States.

The Biggest Cover-up in American History | Amil Imani

[Starman3000m]

Obama may be a "citizen". He's just not a "natural born" citizen.
See identifier chart:

Barack Obama -- Natural Born Citizen

[laynpipe]

This birther nonsence is really funny. It amazes me that after bring disproven over and over that people still find new ways to "Trump" it up.

More conspiracy b.s.

[philibusters]

In some ways it would be nice if the Supreme Court just took a case on the legal issue of what it means to be a "natural born citizen" to settle the issue once and for all.

The link makes a legal argument. The legal argument is that natural born citizen should be defined to me somebody born within the U.S. to parents who were both citizens (I am not exactly what the parents needed to be citizens of). The argument goes that the term "natural born citizen" was not part of the original draft, it was added during the debate process so it must have had specific meaning. The meaning that term had must have been that a natural born citizen was somebody born within the U.S. to parents who were both citizens because that was the prevailing understanding of that term in that period. The main piece of evidence for the existence of this prevailing understanding is a passage from the works of a Swiss political philosopher Emer de Vattel's influential book the Law of Nations that says roughly that natural born citizens are persons born in the country to parents who are citizens of the country.

To me the weakness of this argument at least as presented in the article is that there really wasn't much evidence presented that there existed a widespread understanding of natural born citizen. Instead the argument relies on inferences--for example that most of the founding fathers were educated at just a few universities and colleges and that De Vattel would have been widely read. There are no quotes from any of the founding fathers discussing the term or going into depth about De Vattel. In other words I did not find the evidence all that convincing. I do not want to imply that the argument is frivolous, but in order to be convincing to me, it needs more direct evidence and cannot rely so much upon inferences.

[philibusters]

Originally Posted by laynpipe

This birther nonsence is really funny. It amazes me that after bring disproven over and over that people still find new ways to "Trump" it up.

More conspiracy b.s.

Not really. There is a legal argument, not a factual argument that Obama wasn't born in the U.S.

As I said in my post above I didn't find that the writer presented much direct evidence to support his position, but its not a conspiracy theory.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by laynpipe

This birther nonsence is really funny. It amazes me that after bring disproven over and over that people still find new ways to "Trump" it up.

More conspiracy b.s.

Relax. It's not hard to see how it could be true, that he was born elsewhere and it's not hard to see why some think it's a dumb rule and, if he moved to the US shortly thereafter, what's the big deal? He grew up in America, right? I mean, both sides disregard the constitution whenever it serves their interests anyway, right? So, why should this one ticky detail matter? I mean, hell. He did win the election so, it's not like he showed up and claimed it.

So, relax. Even if it is known and provable, the GOP has long since decided it doesn't matter even though, clearly, the way the president has handled this has done nothing but feed off of suspicion and create distrust.

So, it simply doesn't matter in a practical sense; the GOP ain't gonna push the issue.

Now, can we please get back to his policy and leadership failures at the job regardless of his technical qualifications to be eligible for it? America isn't suffering because George Bush was too conservative and we aren't suffering because of where Obama was born. We are suffering because of their leadership decisions.

[laynpipe]

Until tomorrow.....when someone else brings it up. Larry, I'm not uptight about it at all. It just amazes me that after all this time folks would still theorize or conjure up new ways to present an already disproven argument.

Dont you think that if we stopped focusing our energy on the conspiracies that we could finally begin coming together and focusing on how to fix things ?

[czygvtwkr]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

America isn't suffering because George Bush was too conservative and we aren't suffering because of where Obama was born. We are suffering because of their leadership decisions.

You are correct, however you would not believe the number of people I know that said Bush was too conservative. Many people equate conservative with religious.

[ItalianScallion (Premo)]

Originally Posted by laynpipe

This birther nonsence is really funny. It amazes me that [idiotic Obama voters like me still believe his lies and drink the cool aid] over and over...

:fixed:

Spell check: nonsense, being disproven.

[laynpipe]

If you are going to join this discussion, at least act like an adult.