Forget the 'cliff' - we have popcorn

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by thatguy

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You are proving my point, Obama wins with that result.

Exactly. So where's the problem?

[thatguy]

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

Exactly. So where's the problem?

I for one am not in favor of higher taxes or indiscriminate cuts to defense. If you are, there is no problem

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by thatguy

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I for one am not in favor of higher taxes or indiscriminate cuts to defense. If you are, there is no problem

I'm certainly not "for" any of that. But what I'm "for" is quite irrelevant so I'll content myself for now with just sitting back and watching what Barry does with all that new money.

And what is a "working class"??

What would that "something" be....specifically?

[bcp (Premo)]

Originally Posted by thatguy

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I for one am not in favor of higher taxes or indiscriminate cuts to defense. If you are, there is no problem

so you agree that the rich are already paying more than their fare share?


Im for cutting non constitutional required spending. all of it.

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by thatguy

How is raising taxes for all, including the working class, a win if it can be avoided?

I’m not advocating raising taxes on anyone. I am an advocate for lowering taxes (tax rates) for EVERYONE; including the rich. I’m even more for what Gary Johnson advocates; which is a flat tax where everyone, regardless of income, pays the same rate.

The fact that you put it in the context of the rich benefitting from any tax increases on other fiscal groups is the class warfare game liberals love to use to create a loathing for the wealthy. Parsing out the wealthy on any of this serves no other purpose than to vilify the rich for simply being successful and rich. No matter what you try to do with taxes the wealthy are always going to benefit. They are our business owners and will make adjustments accordingly to maintain their profits. The only thing raising on them will do is cause them to invest less into their own business, stunt their growth and force them to raise prices of their goods and lay people off. And I suspect this is precisely what liberals want. It broadens their base by forcing people to be dependent on the government rather than the private sector to provide them what they need; and it creates votes.

Now if you wouldn’t mind… are you promoting the belief that the wealthy need to pay their fair share and raise their taxes?

[thatguy]

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Originally Posted by PsyOps

I’m not advocating raising taxes on anyone. I am an advocate for lowering taxes (tax rates) for EVERYONE; including the rich. I’m even more for what Gary Johnson advocates; which is a flat tax where everyone, regardless of income, pays the same rate.

The fact that you put it in the context of the rich benefitting from any tax increases on other fiscal groups is the class warfare game liberals love to use to create a loathing for the wealthy. Parsing out the wealthy on any of this serves no other purpose than to vilify the rich for simply being successful and rich. No matter what you try to do with taxes the wealthy are always going to benefit. They are our business owners and will make adjustments accordingly to maintain their profits. The only thing raising on them will do is cause them to invest less into their own business, stunt their growth and force them to raise prices of their goods and lay people off. And I suspect this is precisely what liberals want. It broadens their base by forcing people to be dependent on the government rather than the private sector to provide them what they need; and it creates votes.

Now if you wouldn’t mind… are you promoting the belief that the wealthy need to pay their fair share and raise their taxes?

As per usual you can't follow a simple concept. I have never once said the rich don't pay their share or that I think they should pay more.

I would prefer all income taxes to go away, that ain't going to happen and it's irrelevant, just like Johnson's tax ideas. What is relavent is that taxes are going up on everyone if the right and left don't come to an agreement. That is a given.
The left is offering to keep the bush tax cuts minus the top 2%. If that is what is going to get this done then the right should compromise and get something in return. Instead they are cutting their nose off to spite their face and will either cave right at the end, getting nothing, or let us to over the cliff and all taxes get raised. I don't see that as a win.

[Gilligan (Premo)]

What about all the rest of these tax increases? It's a pretty long list...not often discussed or acknowledged by the myopic..those who are focusing only on that red-herring tax-the-rich tiny piece of this puzzle that Obama and the media has turned in to a cover for all the other increases.

Tax Increases Looming in 2013 | TaxSquad

[thatguy]

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

What about all the rest of these tax increases? It's a pretty long list...not often discussed or acknowledged by the myopic..those who are focusing only on that red-herring tax-the-rich tiny piece of this puzzle that Obama and the media has turned in to a cover for all the other increases.

Tax Increases Looming in 2013 | TaxSquad

Yep, the right is prepared to allow all of those to go back into effect or be phased out. Wouldn't it be nice if they atleast avoided some of those tax increases instead of insisting on all or nothing?

It's called a compromise. You give some and you get some. But hear I am speaking to the guy who is advocating just going over the cliff and allowing all of those taxes to be increased and the sequester cuts to be made

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by thatguy

As per usual you can't follow a simple concept. I have never once said the rich don't pay their share or that I think they should pay more.

First of all I was asking a question for clarification because you posted these two lines earlier which advocate raising taxes on the rich. So, yeah, it seems pretty simple to me where you stand, but in your usual fashion, you try to play things out of both sides of your mouth. If you are really a conservative you would reject what Obama is demanding because it's destructive and solves absolutely nothing. What is the purpose in compromising on a solution that will result in fixing nothing?

Originally Posted by thatguy

raising taxes for all on the principle of protecting the very rich is not winning.

Originally Posted by thatguy

If they are really interested in lower taxes they should make a compromise that keeps taxes from going up for most people.

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I would prefer all income taxes to go away, that ain't going to happen and it's irrelevant, just like Johnson's tax ideas. What is relavent is that taxes are going up on everyone if the right and left don't come to an agreement. That is a given.
The left is offering to keep the bush tax cuts minus the top 2%. If that is what is going to get this done then the right should compromise and get something in return. Instead they are cutting their nose off to spite their face and will either cave right at the end, getting nothing, or let us to over the cliff and all taxes get raised. I don't see that as a win.

So, getting it done for the sake of getting it done; screw actually solving any problems.

If you are the Johnson conservative you claim you are you would be rejecting all this call to raise taxes on anyone and definitely wouldn't consider raising taxes on our job creators irrelevent. If you even bothered to watch the video I provided, in his own words you would have heard him say:

"Whenever you tax anything, you get less of whatever it is that you tax. This is just the reality, this is just the way it is. Maryland passed a tax on millionaires and they have 30% fewer millionaires this year than last year? Gee, I wonder why! Ultimately, taxes are being paid for with your and my freedom because we have to spend more time to earn the money to pay for those taxes. The current reality is, with a deficit that’s going to double over the next 8 years, is that taxes, current as it stands right now, taxes are going up; unless there becomes a real movement to understand that we should be reducing taxes and not allowing taxes to increase." - Gary Johnson

No conservative supports raising taxes on anyone; especially if the goal is not to solve any deficit problem, but is only aimed at creating the perception of balancing the playing field or make some BS compromise to prevent some BS cliff. You want to prevent the cliff, lower taxes on EVERYONE – EVERYONE. Drastically and painfully reducing spending. Be fiscally responsible. Raising taxes, especially for all the wrong reasons, only serves to create division and angst of one group of wage earners against another.

[thatguy]

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Originally Posted by PsyOps

First of all I was asking a question for clarification because you posted these two lines earlier which advocate raising taxes on the rich. So, yeah, it seems pretty simple to me where you stand, but in your usual fashion, you try to play things out of both sides of your mouth. If you are really a conservative you would reject what Obama is demanding because it's destructive and solves absolutely nothing. What is the purpose in compromising on a solution that will result in fixing nothing?

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So, getting it done for the sake of getting it done; screw actually solving any problems.

If you are the Johnson conservative you claim you are you would be rejecting all this call to raise taxes on anyone and definitely wouldn't consider raising taxes on our job creators irrelevent. If you even bothered to watch the video I provided, in his own words you would have heard him say:

No conservative supports raising taxes on anyone; especially if the goal is not to solve any deficit problem, but is only aimed at creating the perception of balancing the playing field or make some BS compromise to prevent some BS cliff. You want to prevent the cliff, lower taxes on EVERYONE – EVERYONE. Drastically and painfully reducing spending. Be fiscally responsible. Raising taxes, especially for all the wrong reasons, only serves to create division and angst of one group of wage earners against another.

The left won, get it through your head. What Gary Johnson thinks doesn't matter, he wasnt elected. Any plan he had is moot.

Taxes ARE GOING UP. Even Ann coulter sees it. It's a matter of how much and on who. Since raising taxes on no one isn't going to happen you want to raise everyone's taxes. That's just stupid. The right should do their best to only give them what they have to AND get something in return.

Taxes are going up. Either there is a compromise that limits the damage or there won't be. That's what is happening