An opinion on gun control

[cwo_ghwebb]

I didn’t want to post about this, because frankly, it is exhausting. I’ve been having this exact same argument for my entire adult life. It is not an exaggeration when I say that I know pretty much exactly every single thing an anti-gun person can say. I’ve heard it over and over, the same old tired stuff, trotted out every single time there is a tragedy on the news that can be milked. Yet, I got sucked in, and I’ve spent the last few days arguing with people who either mean well but are uninformed about gun laws and how guns actually work (who I don’t mind at all), or the willfully ignorant (who I do mind), or the obnoxiously stupid who are completely incapable of any critical thinking deeper than a Facebook meme (them, I can’t stand).

Today’s blog post is going to be aimed at the first group. I am going to try to go through everything I’ve heard over the last few days, and try to break it down from my perspective. My goal tonight is to write something that my regular readers will be able to share with their friends who may not be as familiar with how mass shootings or gun control laws work.

An opinion on gun control « Monster Hunter Nation

A bit long, but shuts up the liberal, emotionally run clowns who post here. With facts. Good read.

[BOP]

No it doesn't. Remember the mentality with which you're dealing with:
But talking to gun control advocates is like talking to five year-olds. Tell a five-year-old it's time for bed, and he'll say "No." Ask why not, and he'll say "because." Likewise, I've told a few gun control advocates about Myrick-telling them how he would have saved more kids had it not been for gun laws-and they've said "guns kill." Or, "we have too many guns." Or, "Woodham killed his victims with a gun."

At which point I say, "Woodham violated several gun laws by having his gun on campus. The law did nothing to deter him, but plenty to deter the man who set out to stop the killings." To which a gun controller replied: "But guns kill."

Sucked in and trapped by this bizarre logic, I attempted to address it. I said: "But Joel Myrick's gun didn't kill. Rather, it allowed children, including the deranged killer, to live."

"Yeah, but all of these school shootings are done by guns," he told me.

[itsbob]

Let's assume liberals are smart, or at the least liberal leaders are smart... Prior to schools we had'he went postal' when murders happened in gun free post offices. Wouldn't they have to know there would be similar results making schools and college campuses gun free zones? I'd like to think this is unthinkable, but worse things have happened in World history, and don't think all liberals would do this, but that most are bring manipulated.

Sooooo liberal leadership makes schools gun free zones KNOWING the mentally ill will see the opportunity presnted to them.... Liberals just sit in wait, knowing it will happen, maybe today maybe tomorrow maybe in 5 years, but it WILL happen. I would say this is partly the case with Obama, they knew something like this would happen during his term they just had to wait, why he's done nothing as far as gun control until now, it's all about timing.

Could it be possible that all of this is intentional?

Could a leader, any leader, be capable of sacrificing children, OUR children, to further their agenda?

Or at the least manipulating a tragedy, and their followers emotions to further their agenda? Smart as my liberal friends are, they can still be manipulated, as we all can be.

And let's not forget, all these people making our schools gun free zones, all their kids go to schools with a lot of guns in them and around them.... I'm sure they, and their kids, feel safe and secure every day.

[aps45819]

Liberals actually believe the problem is society instead of the individual. They abhor the concept that America is comprised of individuals and not a homogenous society.
They want America to be an ant farm.
A gun free zone would work in an ant farm society.

[BOP]

I love this quote from your article:
"I don’t know if many of you realize this, but Barack Obama is personally responsible for more gun sales, and especially first time gun purchases, than anyone in history. When I owned my gun store, we had a picture of him on the wall and a caption beneath it which said SALESMAN OF THE YEAR."

[tommyjo]

Originally Posted by aps45819

Liberals actually believe the problem is society instead of the individual. They abhor the concept that America is comprised of individuals and not a homogenous society.
They want America to be an ant farm.
A gun free zone would work in an ant farm society.

Umm...did you read the NRA statement yesterday?

Who did they blame? society. 6 paragraphs blaming video games, tv, movies, the media...so your conservative side wants its own ant farm...just with a different set of rules for the ants.

Oh BTW...on cops in the schools programs...what a ridiculous suggestion. How can any conservative get behind such a notion?

in 2014 there will be 40 buildings housing students in Charles Co.

As best I can tell from the Charles County website the minimum salary for a safety officer is about $60,000.

1 officer per school increases the school budget by $2,400,000. That's just salary, no healt insurance, no pension cost...nothing else. That also doesn't include the excess personel needed to cover vacation and sick time.

1 officer per school can not protect a building the size of a high school.

So what would a reasonable budget expense be? $2.75M? $3M?

You all are the same people who scream like stuck pigs at the mere mention of ANY govt spending...how much will your property taxes need to rise to cover the cost of putting an armed officer in every school?

[aps45819]

Originally Posted by tommyjo

1 officer per school can not protect a building the size of a high school.

1 armed person in the school can respond to an attacker in seconds.
Good response time for the police will be 5 minutes. Historically these people commit suicide as soon as they're confronted with armed resistance

Unarmed teachers and administrators tried to stop the shooter in CT, all they did was add to the body count.

I think the answer it to allow the people already there to be allowed to defend themselves

[Chris0nllyn]

Originally Posted by tommyjo

Umm...did you read the NRA statement yesterday?

Who did they blame? society. 6 paragraphs blaming video games, tv, movies, the media...so your conservative side wants its own ant farm...just with a different set of rules for the ants.

Oh BTW...on cops in the schools programs...what a ridiculous suggestion. How can any conservative get behind such a notion?

in 2014 there will be 40 buildings housing students in Charles Co.

As best I can tell from the Charles County website the minimum salary for a safety officer is about $60,000.

1 officer per school increases the school budget by $2,400,000. That's just salary, no healt insurance, no pension cost...nothing else. That also doesn't include the excess personel needed to cover vacation and sick time.

1 officer per school can not protect a building the size of a high school.

So what would a reasonable budget expense be? $2.75M? $3M?

You all are the same people who scream like stuck pigs at the mere mention of ANY govt spending...how much will your property taxes need to rise to cover the cost of putting an armed officer in every school?

Maybe you missed this part?

Obama zeroed out school emergency planning grants in last year's budget, and scrapped "Secure Our Schools" policing grants in next year's budget.

If he want's to cry on camera, the least he could do is not be a hypocrite when it comes to children's safety.

Let's not forget the children he's killed in drone strikes in Pakistan...

[cwo_ghwebb]

Originally Posted by tommyjo

Umm...did you read the NRA statement yesterday?

Who did they blame? society. 6 paragraphs blaming video games, tv, movies, the media...so your conservative side wants its own ant farm...just with a different set of rules for the ants.

Oh BTW...on cops in the schools programs...what a ridiculous suggestion. How can any conservative get behind such a notion?

in 2014 there will be 40 buildings housing students in Charles Co.

As best I can tell from the Charles County website the minimum salary for a safety officer is about $60,000.

1 officer per school increases the school budget by $2,400,000. That's just salary, no healt insurance, no pension cost...nothing else. That also doesn't include the excess personel needed to cover vacation and sick time.

1 officer per school can not protect a building the size of a high school.

So what would a reasonable budget expense be? $2.75M? $3M?

You all are the same people who scream like stuck pigs at the mere mention of ANY govt spending...how much will your property taxes need to rise to cover the cost of putting an armed officer in every school?

Doesn't Chuck County already have Sheriffs at the schools? I thought at least the High Schools did. I think if teachers wanted to volunteer for CCW permits they could be useful and not add to the cost.

[thatguy]

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Originally Posted by itsbob

Let's assume liberals are smart, or at the least liberal leaders are smart... Prior to schools we had'he went postal' when murders happened in gun free post offices. Wouldn't they have to know there would be similar results making schools and college campuses gun free zones? I'd like to think this is unthinkable, but worse things have happened in World history, and don't think all liberals would do this, but that most are bring manipulated.

Sooooo liberal leadership makes schools gun free zones KNOWING the mentally ill will see the opportunity presnted to them.... Liberals just sit in wait, knowing it will happen, maybe today maybe tomorrow maybe in 5 years, but it WILL happen. I would say this is partly the case with Obama, they knew something like this would happen during his term they just had to wait, why he's done nothing as far as gun control until now, it's all about timing.

Could it be possible that all of this is intentional?

Could a leader, any leader, be capable of sacrificing children, OUR children, to further their agenda?

Or at the least manipulating a tragedy, and their followers emotions to further their agenda? Smart as my liberal friends are, they can still be manipulated, as we all can be.

And let's not forget, all these people making our schools gun free zones, all their kids go to schools with a lot of guns in them and around them.... I'm sure they, and their kids, feel safe and secure every day.

That's about on par with the idea that bush orchestrated 9/11. Congrats, where do I nominate you for tin foil hat of the year award?