No more Jared Lee Loughners

[Rommey]

Originally Posted by BigBlue

Yes they do work,or certainly will help.

By what metric do you consider them to "work" or "help"?

And even if you ban all the guns, you will still have the Jared Lee Loughners in society that will be hell-bent on harming people, be it with another type of weapon, a car, fire, etc.

[Bann (Premo)]

Originally Posted by BigBlue

Look in a mirror,that's how they happend.

Looks like you are incapable of engaging in civil discourse. You resort to elementary school behavior.

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by BigBlue

Look in a mirror,that's how they happend.

Okay, your ambiguity is showing.

Perhaps you can elaborate on how I had anything to do with Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, or John Muhammed (or any other murderer) getting assault rifles in their hands when those weapons were BANNED. You do understand what ‘BANNED’ means?

[tommyjo]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Okay, your ambiguity is showing.

Perhaps you can elaborate on how I had anything to do with Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, or John Muhammed (or any other murderer) getting assault rifles in their hands when those weapons were BANNED. You do understand what ‘BANNED’ means?

Its obvoius that you don't...

The "ban" was not a ban as you imply it was. Do some basic research on the subject. the 94 law was watered down and weakened to the point of being described by the NRA as "cosmetic"

The ban only affected new manufaturing and sales of newly manufacutured weapons and magazine capacities. Weapons and magazines that were already on the market were completely legal...you ignore these basic facts of the law.

The regs were so weak, the gun industry just re-worked the configuration of the "banned" models and put the new models up for sale...essentially making your so called "ban" useless and ineffective.

[aps45819]

Originally Posted by Rommey

By what metric do you consider them to "work" or "help"?

It's all about feeling like you're doing something.
As long as you ban SOMETHING you've made a difference. The actual results don't matter.

Like when kids were licking Chinese toys and were found to have high levels of lead so they banned lead from anything children under 12 use.
Turned out most books were printed with lead in the ink and bicycles, tricycle and kids dirt bikes all contained lead.

[aps45819]

Originally Posted by tommyjo

Its obvoius that you don't...

The "ban" was not a ban as you imply it was. Do some basic research on the subject. the 94 law was watered down and weakened to the point of being described by the NRA as "cosmetic"

The ban only affected new manufaturing and sales of newly manufacutured weapons and magazine capacities. Weapons and magazines that were already on the market were completely legal...you ignore these basic facts of the law.

The regs were so weak, the gun industry just re-worked the configuration of the "banned" models and put the new models up for sale...essentially making your so called "ban" useless and ineffective.

Guess what happens when you come knocking on doors to confiscate banned weapons

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by tommyjo

Its obvoius that you don't...

The "ban" was not a ban as you imply it was. Do some basic research on the subject. the 94 law was watered down and weakened to the point of being described by the NRA as "cosmetic"

The ban only affected new manufaturing and sales of newly manufacutured weapons and magazine capacities. Weapons and magazines that were already on the market were completely legal...you ignore these basic facts of the law.

The regs were so weak, the gun industry just re-worked the configuration of the "banned" models and put the new models up for sale...essentially making your so called "ban" useless and ineffective.

And what sort of ban did I ‘imply’ it was? I said it didn’t stop those crimes from happening. And the bans they are proposing today do not look any different. So, you’ve actually made my point.

But all of this still misses the point… We live in a country that has that little pesky thing called the constitution and the 2nd Amendment. A born right to own guns. This right is not granted to us by the government. IT IS OURS BY BIRTH. It is not a privilege; as these failed laws would attempt to make it. It does not specify/limit what type.

I have provided quotes of our founders and their intent of the 2nd. You either take it seriously as a right that is YOURS to exercise or not. Because a few people in this country violate the trust of that right doesn’t require we ALL have that right repealed. The constitution either has REAL meaning for us or it doesn’t. It apparently doesn’t for people like you. Most of us understand what happens when the government circumvents the ‘shall not be infringed’ clause of our constitution.

[Chris0nllyn]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

Most of us understand what happens when the government circumvents the ‘shall not be infringed’ clause of our constitution.

Too add to that...

When has a private serial killer, even of the greatest magnitude, ever managed to come close to the murder and abuse rivaling the level of government?

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Chris0nllyn

Too add to that...

When has a private serial killer, even of the greatest magnitude, ever managed to come close to the murder and abuse rivaling the level of government?

And those countries have been named over and over again as examples of what happens when government can disarm the people.

And what's even more interesting is how our founders, decades before, knew of these dangers in a tyrannical government, and spelled out the reasons for the 2nd amendment.

It just baffles me to no end why we have people that seem to enjoy their freedom while, at the same time, willing to just give it up to the government so easily, without realizing what it is that protects it. And have learned so little about history.

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

And what sort of ban did I ‘imply’ it was? I said it didn’t stop those crimes from happening. And the bans they are proposing today do not look any different. So, you’ve actually made my point.

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Indeed she did.