What's your Solution to end gun violence?

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

.....here in Maryland anyway.....

THe problem is, Maryland lawmakers need to realize that tying the hands of the law-abiding will do nothing to solve this.

If they would eliminate all restrictions; with the exception of being 21; and grant CCW's to anyone who passes the background check, the everyday citizen walking dow the street; the possible "target" might just be carrying a weapon. If the bad guys know this is a possibility, they MIGHT just think, 'Hmmm, he might have a gun; better not ***k with him.'

Easing the ability for the law-abiding to pro-actively protect themselves by carrying a concealed weapon WILL reduce the violent crime rate.
The argument then becomes, 'how many will be shot or killed to prove that statistic?' Well, no one can predict that; but those instances WILL become fewer. I say again, you don't hear about as many gun related crimes out of WV, VA, NC and PA, do you? Why not? Because all these states have better CCW laws.

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Making criminal behavior legal doesn't turn criminals into model citizens.

No, but making legal behavior illegal does turn an awful lot of law-abiding people into criminals.

[Gilligan (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Now THAT is funny! Nowhere did I say "no one has ever" been killed by a stray gun shot.

Go ahead, dumb####, show me where I said that.

I'll lay a wager that our "favorite" fart-n-dart poster gal won't be back to answer that.

Just a hunch...

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

Right, because they don't actually enforce it. If they did, you would see a dramatic drop in crime. There is not one single person who was involved in the shootings of the last few days that doesn't have a prior record. The guy that broke into my house was out on PBJ and a suspended sentence - he should have been in jail for previous crimes instead of ransacking my house.

Legalizing drugs will not stop thugs from being thugs. You said it yourself (4,987 times): you cannot regulate behavior by regulating tools. Or even de-regulating tools.

You have alcohol Prohibition to educate you how this works. The higher the sanction, the higher the risk, the higher the reward. This is not some advanced coffee house economic theory.

Then, in Police State, where kids go to jail for life, or we cut off their hands, or just shoot them, we start coming to grips with just how absurd it is to punish people so harshly for getting high.

Saudi Arabia deals with criminals very harshly. Here's a whole list of stuff they will kill you for;

Capital punishment in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And they're cutting off a couple heads a week.

I know you have a totalitarian streak in you which leads you to believing in harsher punishment as the solution. But, history has shown where that leads.

It's the reason America was born.

I am NOT for making murder and robbery legal. I am not for making B and E legal. I am for ending drug prohibtion which is THE core motivation for all sorts of crime and violence and corruption. Just like it was the first time.

Again, I ask, why do you think Prohibtion was ended the first time?

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by PsyOps

No, but making legal behavior illegal does turn an awful lot of law-abiding people into criminals.

We're not talking about making legal behavior illegal, we're talking about the opposite.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Again, I ask, why do you think Prohibtion was ended the first time?

Because Roosevelt wanted to get drunk legally.

I am NOT for making murder and robbery legal. I am not for making B and E legal. I am for ending drug prohibtion which is THE core motivation for all sorts of crime and violence and corruption. Just like it was the first time.

And AGAIN, the only people who are killing each other over illegal drugs are the druggies themselves. Where you and I come into the picture is when they need to jack someone up for money. The need for money will not be going away with legalization, therefore you and I will not see any benefit from it.

Drugs are NOT the core motivation for anything other than getting high. Dealers deal for money, not because they love drugs. Stoners steal to get money, not only for drugs but for food, alcohol and all sorts of things. Unless you make the drugs free, they will still need to be purchased - from whoever. In order for them to be purchased, the purchaser will need to have money.

You seriously do not think that druggies rob houses, then set the money aside specifically to be used for drugs, and they pay for their beer and food out of some different money?

In fact we will see more addiction and more crime as a result of legalization. Or do you not agree that drugs are addictive? Perhaps you do not believe that more people will do a legal activity than an illegal one?

[GURPS (Premo)]

Originally Posted by Larry Gude

Again, I ask, why do you think Prohibition was ended the first time?

someone wanted a stiff drink after work


and no I am not knave thinking ALL Criminals will STOP Criminal activity related to drugs ....... but it would certainly reduce the incentive

again Look @ Portugal

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

We're not talking about making legal behavior illegal, we're talking about the opposite.

The central discussion is gun control, is it not? But to your point, if we're going to believe in liberty in the true sense of the word, isn’t liberty a concept that leaves the people to their own decisions, mistakes, and consequences? Making drugs illegal is nothing more than telling us we can’t be trusted as a society to handle them; that, without government intervention, we would be a more dangerous society. And what has been the results? We have a worse drug problem with our government managing it than if they were legalized.

We are a free people and, in my opinion, there is no place for the government to step in the middle of our personal choices, even if those choices are dangerous.

[luvmygdaughters]

Why, on Gods green earth, would you want to legalize drugs to help with the reduction of violent crimes and gun control. And where would you stop it? Okay you leagalize pot, next the druggies and dealers will be killing each other and innocents for crack, heroin, etc. What do you do then? Leaglize that too? What about parents who do everything they can to keep their kids from drugs? The government is now saying its okay, go buy your drugs. All that needs to be done is to keep the criminals in jail, no more plea bargaining, no more getting out for "good behavior". If a gun is used in the commision of a crime, manadatory 10 year sentence. Bring back the death penalty, if you shoot and kill someone, when you're caught, you're going to die. End of story. I'm so tired of the candy a$$ way the druggies are dealt with. They are not criminals, they have a disease...yeah right. Cancer is a disease, not drug addiction.

[PsyOps (Premo)]

Originally Posted by luvmygdaughters

Why, on Gods green earth, would you want to legalize drugs to help with the reduction of violent crimes and gun control. And where would you stop it? Okay you leagalize pot, next the druggies and dealers will be killing each other and innocents for crack, heroin, etc. What do you do then? Leaglize that too? What about parents who do everything they can to keep their kids from drugs? The government is now saying its okay, go buy your drugs. All that needs to be done is to keep the criminals in jail, no more plea bargaining, no more getting out for "good behavior". If a gun is used in the commision of a crime, manadatory 10 year sentence. Bring back the death penalty, if you shoot and kill someone, when you're caught, you're going to die. End of story. I'm so tired of the candy a$$ way the druggies are dealt with. They are not criminals, they have a disease...yeah right. Cancer is a disease, not drug addiction.

Has making them illegal stopped druggies and dealers from committing their violence?

But you are admitting that we need the government to manage our lives; that parents are incapable of controlling their kids. Current laws have done nothing to aid parents in preventing their kids from getting into drugs. When do we start placing less responsibility on our government – which most-often results in nothing positive – and start placing more responsibility on ourselves to solve our problems?