Next time someone says they are for gun controll...

[SmallTown]

About 2 million people in vietnam died during the war
with the US. Don't think their guns helped them that much. Hiding helped..

Plus, aiming at military targets is quite a bit different than civilian targets where you don't care about collateral damage. I don't think the people in and around Hiroshima and Nagasaki were saying "Look at that thing in the sky.. Shoot it!!"

[Sharon (Premo)]

Good story SeaRide. Today criminals are let off to easy. The cops just ask if you have insurance to cover your loss. Too bad if ya don't. When you work hard (your time) and save (money) to get something and someone comes along and takes it from you, they are stealing more than mere possessions.

[SeaRide]

Thanks. Can you see the picture where we have trap(s) set up in our home to catch criminals? ..sigh.. I don't think so.

[2ndAmendment (Premo)]

SmallTown, you are right, many people lost their lives on both sides. I lost friends in 'nam. But, in the end, it was us that left and the Vietnamese that held the ground.

It's ok. You go on the way you are. I will go on mine, knowing that no government, not even ours, can be trusted totally.

It is not worth the typing. I won't convince you. You won't change me.

[SmallTown]

Not trying to change anyones mind. I am against gun control, so I'm (I think) on your side. I just get really bored with the old argument about a government going wild. The gun haters have this vision of those of who like guns as being a bunch of uneducated gun toting hicks. Lets not add fuel to that illogical fire. I'm only trying to make the pro-gun argument more relative to todays times so the struggle (and success) of gun ownership can continue.. Citing sportmanship and personal self defense is, to me, a much more logical approach to this argument.

[Sharon (Premo)]

Originally posted by SmallTown
Citing sportmanship and personal self defense is, to me, a much more logical approach to this argument.

Yea! ...ceasefire?

[SeaRide]

Originally posted by Sharon
Yea! ...ceasefire?

Yeah! .. ceasewhine? .. ceaseargue?
bad joke .. I know!!

[Doc]

2nd Amendment:

No one seems to have weighed in--apart from you--that they want me to disappear from these forums. So I'll continue posting in your threads, particularly if you post what I believe to be false or misleading information. (Thus, there's a better way to get me to curtail my posting: Check your facts before you post.) You're free to ignore me and not respond; I won't be offended. I figured out quite a while ago that you're not too likely to be swayed from your opinions. That's your right. Just as it's mine to respond to what you say in a public forum, unless I missed the Terms of Service clause in somd.com that states, "All shall bow down and worship the superior intellect of 2ndAmendment who is never wrong."

SmallTown makes an excellent point that the pro-gun cause is only hurt by advancing bad arguments against gun control. I agree that defense against crime, hunting, and target practice are probably the topics you want to focus on when discussing gun ownership.

[demsformd]

I have to break from the dogma of my party on this one. Gun control hurts the innocent much more than the guilty. Marijuana is illegal but one can still get it in so many ways. I disagree with the assertion that we need guns to respond to a despotic government but it is a cherished individual right for Americans to own a gun.
Gun control I favor: assault rife ban, high-ammo ban, and background checks.
Other measures seem to go too far. Just persecute based on today's laws.

[vraiblonde]

See, Dems - we CAN agree on something! The only thing I might not agree with is the assault rifle ban and the high ammo ban - don't see the point in it. The bad guys are gonna get them anyway. I think people aren't really familiar with exactly HOW criminals get illegal weapons, which is why they think banning them will make an impact.

But I'm right there with you on background checks. Even that might not be very effective BUT I think it's common sense to do it. I'm also okay with reasonable waiting periods, a couple of days or so.

I'll tell you what I'd like to see (and I think this would really make a difference) - MANDATORY penalties for committing a crime with a gun. They can't be plea-bargained, they can't be thrown out. If you commit a crime with a gun, you're going to do some time.