Bush decries border project

Originally Posted by SamSpade

You DID actually *read* what I wrote, right? You know, the part where I *didn't* say any of that?

I also don't believe in valuing a man's worth by his paycheck or his possessions. But I'm not going to pay the guy who cuts down my tree the same price as the guy who cuts *ME OPEN*. It has nothing to do with his value as a person; only the value of what he does, as work. You wouldn't DREAM of expecting to pay the same price at the store for a filet mignon as you would for a soda.

No one is saying they should be paid the same or more You are just jumping to that conclusion time and time again!!!!! That argument is baseless... I never said that... perhaps you are not reading my posts.. You just think... hmmm... democrat=communist. I'm tired of that bullsiat. I said it upset me that menial workers are called weaker human beings.

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by Tonio

I'm not schooled on national economics, but I suspect that illegals harm the US economy in many more ways than just their influence on minimum pay.

Oh, I agree. I don't see any point in even labelling them as "illegal immigrants" if the policy of repatriating illegals is not enforced.

Can you imagine a security guard who waves *EVERYONE* past the gate? Why bother to pay him? Why call it security?

We might as well re-name our border agents "greeters" and have them say "Welcome to the USA - have a nice day!".

[somdcrab]

w/o the labor movement there would not be Workers comp laws, osha, any minimum wage, an EIGHT HOUR DAY, overtime/compensation for more work than you agreed to do for a fair wage, 40 hour work week, corporate competition for qualified people union or non union, any illegal immigration laws the company owners could and would buy vanloads of elsalvadorans for 10.oo and screw any american jobs, as with anything else unions aint perfect and when bad people get in them they get corrupt just like our government, but workers wouldnt have crap union or non union if ir was'nt for the brave men and women who stood up to the fat cats back in da day

[2ndAmendment]

Originally Posted by dems4me

But to me - I was not raised to look at one's material possessions and snub them if they have less than me. I wasn't raised to judge people at all in this department. I think God has a will and a plan for everyone's life and its not up to me to judge where they are in their life. We are all human beings deep down - I just wish we could all get along better though.

Where did anyone say we should snub them. It was posted that some people are weak citizens. They are weak citizens not because of circumstance but because of choice. Their own choice. You read far too much into what is posted because of "feelings".

Originally Posted by 2ndAmendment

When the minimum wage is $1,000,000 per hour we will all be on welfare. Will that make you and the rest of the bleeding heart liberals happy?

Yet again... democrats=communism... we are NOT communist and he nor I stated that we should all be compensated financially the same.

Originally Posted by SamSpade

"greeters" and have them say "Welcome to the USA - have a nice day!".

:!!!

[2ndAmendment]

Originally Posted by somdcrab

all of you failed history, if it was'nt for the labor movement/unions this country would of went to hellthe way (bush/cheney) want it now, some fat cat owner ( back then the mines or plantations) sitting pretty why you and your family work for nothing live in their shacks, and can only buy/work for goods from their stores, when GUTSY americans stood together and united that is when things for workers got better, no wonder the GOP wants to bust unions

I could have guessed. A union . Great. Can't fire a guy that shows up drunk two hours late because he is in the union without risking a labor action. That is what has driven the U.S. to the brink of labor bankruptcy. Don't get me wrong. The unions were fine in the early stages and much was brought by the unions that is good. Now, they are far too corrupt and bring more detriment than good.

[SamSpade]

Originally Posted by dems4me

No one is saying they should be paid the same or more You are just jumping to that conclusion time and time again!!!!! That argument is baseless... I never said that... perhaps you are not reading my posts.. You just think... hmmm... democrat=communist. I'm tired of that bullsiat. I said it upset me that menial workers are called weaker human beings.

Then stop banging your head and read the whole post, for pity's sake. Because I haven't said anything about menial workers being weak.

Go ahead. Read *EVERY* post I've ever written. Go back a few *YEARS*.

I say, don't equate the value of a *MAN* with the value of his *WORK*. They don't compare.

Originally Posted by SamSpade

Then stop banging your head and read the whole post, for pity's sake. Because I haven't said anything about menial workers being weak.

Go ahead. Read *EVERY* post I've ever written. Go back a few *YEARS*.

I say, don't equate the value of a *MAN* with the value of his *WORK*. They don't compare.

sorry sweetie, I wasn't referring to you - I was referring to 2A's post. I agreed with yours

[somdcrab]

read your constitution 2a start at the preamble, life liberty and what the federalists, framers or whatever title you wanna give em were not communists, its about FAIR wages,hours ,benefits and the employer making a profit thats capitalsism not communism, what the GOP wants is a monarchy,anarchy,dictatorship and communism depending on whats popular like their schiavo moment if that was'nt a few zealots tellin the rest of us how to believe in god or what to do in our families i'll kiss dems azz shhhhhhhhhhh i'd do it any way