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[FromTexas]

Originally Posted by rraley

I am not criticizing their morality, in most instances I accept and live it (though I would never kick my child out if he or she was a homosexual). What is wrong is their belief in enforcing that morality on everyone through a government that is meant to act secularly. Sure there are moderate elements in the Christian Right, but these are people who would not identify as members of that bloc (such as yourself FromTexas). Being moral doesn't mean that you are in the Christian Right.

Is it not enforcing a sense of welfare morality that the democrats do? That we must support all these people because its moral?

How about that democrats also jump on keeping porn controlled? Is that legislating morality?

How much law is not legislating morality, exactly? Alcohol, highly taxed and controlled? Drugs? Cigarettes? Public nudity? Prostitution? They do call a set of taxes sin taxes after all.

People only have a problem when their morale compass does not agree with what is being legislated. Otherwise, they are all to happy to have it legislated.

in most instances I accept and live it (though I would never kick my child out if he or she was a homosexual).

Can't resist tieing the stereotype in there one more time, eh? Got to make sure to weight the statement appropriately? I have known a few devout christians who had homosexual children. They didn't do that either.

[rraley]

I thought that conservatives were against political correctness...I suppose that I have to place a disclaimer on everything now about exceptions so long as it deals with a group of voters who overwhelmingly vote for Republicans...

As for this fallacy you present concerning Democrats enforcing "morality." What you discuss isn't morality, but rather it's a sense of human rights, legality, the public good. These can all be found in a more secular sense of "morality" than in a Bible-thumping, religious sense.

[FromTexas]

Originally Posted by rraley

I thought that conservatives were against political correctness...I suppose that I have to place a disclaimer on everything now about exceptions so long as it deals with a group of voters who overwhelmingly vote for Republicans...

As for this fallacy you present concerning Democrats enforcing "morality." What you discuss isn't morality, but rather it's a sense of human rights, legality, the public good. These can all be found in a more secular sense of "morality" than in a Bible-thumping, religious sense.

Ah! Morality is only correct if it comes from your side of the fence. I see. Where exactly does that sense of human rights, legality, and public good find its basis in historically? Religion. First laws? Religious. First mental institutions? Religious. First care for the homeless/poor? Religious. Come on now.. you can do better than trying to seperate moral into "proper" secular ones vs "improper" religious ones.

Now, its all based in morality. Sure. We have that down, but how much morality is human rights, public good, and legality? How much welfare is more than just morale? They help decide that, too.

Would you like to point to the country that does not legislate morality? Would you like to point to the specific part of the Constitution that forbids legislating morality?

Now, for your PC comment... Let me just call a red herring for what it is. You throw out more and more crap the more that stool is kicked out from under you.

[vraiblonde]

I have a question for you, Raley:

What part of Christianity do you not agree with, that you have such a problem with Delay's fundie right-wingers?

[rraley]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

I have a question for you, Raley:

What part of Christianity do you not agree with, that you have such a problem with Delay's fundie right-wingers?

None of it...I'm a devout Christian...what I do not agree with is people pushing a political ideology and hiding behind God to legitimize it.

[Larry Gude (Premo)]

Originally Posted by rraley

None of it...I'm a devout Christian...what I do not agree with is people pushing a political ideology and hiding behind God to legitimize it.

Do you see the non sense that has found its way into your thinking?

I'l give you some time to see if this is perhpas not exactly what you meant to say.

Man.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by rraley

what I do not agree with is people pushing a political ideology and hiding behind God to legitimize it.

For example....?

[2ndAmendment]

True; I am a Constitutionalist. Matter of fact, I am a strict constructionist Constitutionalist. That said, both the Democrats and the Republicans are wrong in their actions. There is no constitutional authority for much of what is done by the federal government including all welfare programs and Social Security, but the politicians don't care. The Constitution is the original legal document from which all federal law should flow, but it is now meaningless since very few judges or legislators test any law or proposed bill against the original meaning of the Constitution. We might as well have a Constitution burning party on the Mall.

[rraley]

Originally Posted by vraiblonde

For example....?

I'm discussing Falwell and Robertson who take a Bible passage to claim that the filibuster is wrong or that God actually does like tax cuts...that's who I am rallying against, not Republicans in general...and many independents, moderates,and liberals have the same problem. The problem is not the faith; it is the manipulation and exploitation of that faith and the faith of individual people to create political power or to advance a narrow political ideology.

Larry, it's not nonsense...just watch the 700 Club (check the part where they prayed for three new vacancies on the Supreme Court) and you will see.

[vraiblonde]

Originally Posted by rraley

I'm discussing Falwell and Robertson who take a Bible passage to claim that the filibuster is wrong or that God actually does like tax cuts

How do you know they're not right?